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Old School vs. New School Amplification

#584
Still in development, patent application, you know the usual stuff.

All kidding aside, it would be great to have a transport dolly with wheels fat enough not to sink into grass.

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Our advanced team of highly skilled mechanical engineers still hasn't been able to get past
the rolling on a river part of the design sequence.
 
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#585
The Nameless said:
Kjung, I was bein a bit sarcastic myself about the weight thing. I never in my life thought I'd see the day folk were askin how much an amp weighs before purchasing. Heh. I do think that is funny. But, times change. Heh. I meant no disrespect. I value your opinions an expertise in this arena, an prolly shoulda worded my replies different. But? In honesty? A guy complainin bout ten or twelve pounds would give me reason to give him a bit o'guff. In fun. Ha! Sorry...
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I was actually agreeing with you. My point was (per your post I was commenting on), moving up to a head that costs more than your entire current rig would not necessarily mean you would be happier, or sound better, or increase reliability, etc., etc.:) The amp head I use now exclusively (although mostly retired at this point) is one of the least expensive heads I've ever owned, and it is among my all time favorites regarding power, open fat low end, reliability, overall quality, and service and support (the best part being that service and support is rarely needed with this model!)
 
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#587
I have a lightweight LMII /12 setup and a mid-weight PLX1804/RBI/tube pre/12&15 setup. Both sound good. But never in my life have I heard as good a sound to my ears as when I was temp without a power amp and borrowed an old Peavey tube guitar head that had a line-level input into which I ran my RBI. DANG!!! Absolutely no way to dial that type of sound in with any pure SS amp that I have ever played through in 40 years of playing. But it was HEAVY! Even writing about it makes it tempting to go buy a tube amp like a Traynor YBA-300.
 
#588
To answer the OP directly.. I'm not certain that there isn't "any" compromise as far as tone goes with micro heads and neo cabinets. If you want a rig to play at home or if you are fortunate to have a road crew, teen age boys etc. it doesn't matter, go big. If you are going to be hauling your own stuff to rehearsals or gigs you will be very happy to find some really good options with little if any compromise. Playing a club with 500-1000 people, outdoor event or a room without PA support and being able to toss your head in a gig bag and one arm a cab is pretty awesome.
 
#589
FFTT said:
Still in development, patent application, you know the usual stuff.

All kidding aside, it would be great to have a transport dolly with wheels fat enough not to sink into grass.

Big Wheels Keep On Turnin'

Our advanced team of highly skilled mechanical engineers still hasn't been able to get past
the rolling on a river part of the design sequence.
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try the Rock 'N Roller R12RT
 
#591
I guess it might be nice for some people to have lightweight gear. I'm not saying it makes you less of a man.

I'm just saying it's mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. I really don't mind hauling my heavy stuff around. I'm out, playing gigs, having fun, doing my thing.
 
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middy said:
I guess it might be nice for some people to have lightweight gear. I'm not saying it makes you less of a man.

I'm just saying it's mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. I really don't mind hauling my heavy stuff around. I'm out, playing gigs, having fun, doing my thing.
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Yep, that is all that is important. I actually don't mind hauling the heavier stuff I just don't like the time required. I usually have to be at work the next morning after gigs and I have found the lighter stuff easily takes more than 30 minutes off my get in bed time. For me. It is all good though.
 
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peterpalmieri said:
To answer the OP directly.. I'm not certain that there isn't "any" compromise as far as tone goes with micro heads and neo cabinets. If you want a rig to play at home or if you are fortunate to have a road crew, teen age boys etc. it doesn't matter, go big. If you are going to be hauling your own stuff to rehearsals or gigs you will be very happy to find some really good options with little if any compromise. Playing a club with 500-1000 people, outdoor event or a room without PA support and being able to toss your head in a gig bag and one arm a cab is pretty awesome.
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Pretty much nailed it here. Seems everyone agrees (well most everyone anyways) that there are obvious and inherent trademarks of Tube Vs SS. Some SS amps come close to tubes, and some Tube amps sound a bit more SS. Hybrids get even a little more interesting. Depends on which one is your sound, and how many compromises you're willing to make to get to your sound Vs weight, $$$, availability etc. Finding "your" tone in a micro is awesome. That doesn't mean that the vast majority of other players would agree that that micro sounds superior to other rigs to their ears. It's all subjective- but to imply if someone claims to hear and feel differences in Tubes Vs micros they are just not educated or are "playing with their eyes" is a bit condescending I'd say. Just like claiming someone who prefers the tone of a micro is "missing something". Apples and oranges. One mans trash is another mans treasure. One mans treasure is another mans trash.
 
#594
KJung said:
I was actually agreeing with you. My point was (per your post I was commenting on), moving up to a head that costs more than your entire current rig would not necessarily mean you would be happier, or sound better, or increase reliability, etc., etc.:) The amp head I use now exclusively (although mostly retired at this point) is one of the least expensive heads I've ever owned, and it is among my all time favorites regarding power, open fat low end, reliability, overall quality, and service and support (the best part being that service and support is rarely needed with this model!)
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Yeah, I knew you were agreein wit me, too. Learnin this new reply format is MUCH tougher than gettin a great sound outta my rig. Heh. I quoted wrong reply. One before you mentioned regardless how strong you are, choose the rig ya want. I agree. But, if a guy complains his head too heavy, annit weighs less than twenty pounds? I may give him heck. You, an several others, mentioned reliability. I MUST interject a thot on that. It is FIRST and foremost on my list of things to check before I buy. I used one amplification manufacturer's gear for a VERY long time. Taking for granted I can get a great tone outta any rig, no matter "rules" or "science". But, because of my EXPERIENCE with rules an science, I know that whatever is there has to get the job done, an I have the knowledge to do so. So... I can use any rig? Yes. What I buy is all about reliability. I used my first rig for decades. An still do. Cuz it turns on every time. Reliability is the key. An I trust old gear that has worked over new gear that MAY work. Lotsa issues all over wit the first Gen "digital" amps. This style of power is new to the bass world. Pro Audio been usin this fer a longer period. Crown, QSC, etc, are into third generation usage. I see failures across the board in these micro amps. I play. Out. A LOT. I play. HARD! I don't believe in usin flats to save frets. I don't believe my heroes play lightly. I put my gear thru heck. An back. Reliability has to be considered first. I trusted my old heads. This Eden has not earned my trust, but it has worked twenty years wit no issues. I have put it thru it's paces. It still kills! I fergot to mention that as a key factor of my decision. I know, almost certainly. I would tear up any of the micros I've tried. In months. I rely on my gear to pay my bills. It's that simple. In the end.
 
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#596
When I briefly considered an ultra light portable rig, man these guys just wouldn't let up.

It was humiliating!

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