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Old Singer Using Our Email List in New Band

You can make well over $250 off a single gig as a cover band. I think the letter might be a good idea.

Yeah but what's to be gained? Even the guy who fronted the idea said it would probably only net you some revenge.

How would you get the $250 back? I think the OP has the right idea, send one email to the leader of her new band, then let it go. That way at least you send the message that you know what they're doing, you know it's wrong, and that you aren't afraid to say so. Who knows, maybe her new BL wound up with her share of conscience and he'll do the right thing.

Other than that, I don't see any way to make hay off this...
 
Yeah but what's to be gained? Even the guy who fronted the idea said it would probably only net you some revenge.

How would you get the $250 back? I think the OP has the right idea, send one email to the leader of her new band, then let it go. That way at least you send the message that you know what they're doing, you know it's wrong, and that you aren't afraid to say so. Who knows, maybe her new BL wound up with her share of conscience and he'll do the right thing.

Other than that, I don't see any way to make hay off this...

Since it appears the new band leader sent the email, he shows he already has no conscience, let alone her share.

I'm a big believer in "my success is my best revenge." So yeah, get a new singer and get more gigs and also ask for gigs on the nights the other band wants. With an already established rep you should be able to shut them out.

However, I will never buy the argument that it will tarnish you in the current scene. Why should I play nicey nice with someone who basically stole from me? I'd rather have the rep of people knowing I'm their biggest supporter when they are with me, and if they leave and do something douchy I'm their biggest enemy.

It took me decades to learn nice guys do finish last. Good guys always win. You don't have to be nice to earn respect and have integrity.
 
However, I will never buy the argument that it will tarnish you in the current scene. Why should I play nicey nice with someone who basically stole from me?

Well, you're mischaracterizing what I said. I didn't say be a sappy ass-kisser. I said, let them know you know it's wrong, and you're not afraid to say so. i.e., share the information with other musicians.

The part where I would question the impact to my reputation is when I think of lawyering up. In some cases, it's called for. In this case, it would be too extreme.

There are two guys around here who coached pee-wee basketball. Anyway, they got in a big row over scheduling or something and one of the guys wrote all kinds of letters to the editor of our small town paper, took out paid ads bashing the other guy, threatened legal action, and basically made an ass out of himself.

Did he have the right to do that? Sure. Was he in the right, and doing the right thing with his actions afterward? I'm sure in his mind he was on all counts. But all he did in my mind was convince me that he's a doofus. All I took from it was, I don't care who's right, that guy's a dick. Most people I talked with said the same thing. To HIM, he was doing the right thing. To EVERYBODY ELSE, he's an ass.

If I heard that someone did what you suggested, I'd look at them as somewhat of a troublemaker simply because they took what I consider an overly aggressive response.

You don't have to be nice to earn respect and have integrity.

True, but if you're overly aggressive you may also earn the terms "problematic," "onerous," and severe."

(Notice I said "overly." Obviously, you pursue whatever measures are appropriate including legal action depending on the situation, not bend over and take anything someone dishes out.)
 
I would send out my own message to that e-mail list, apologizing for letting the other band get ahold of your contacts/fans list. I'd state that we do not share, sell, or otherwise give out our fans' contact information and assure them that you're taking steps to make sure that it doesn't ever happen again.
 
I would send out my own message to that e-mail list, apologizing for letting the other band get ahold of your contacts/fans list. I'd state that we do not share, sell, or otherwise give out our fans' contact information and assure them that you're taking steps to make sure that it doesn't ever happen again.

^ This +a gazillion. Time to hold yourself accountable for handing the list out in the first place. On the other hand, there's not much else you can do except ensure that you never hand out fanlists again.

BTW... I was wondering if you'd ever given the list to anyone else prior? Or was it just her because of the hotness and the badgering. And the hotness.

(john, you do come up with some good advice. Sometimes sig-able even :D )
 
I would send out my own message to that e-mail list, apologizing for letting the other band get ahold of your contacts/fans list. I'd state that we do not share, sell, or otherwise give out our fans' contact information and assure them that you're taking steps to make sure that it doesn't ever happen again.

Bingo! What have I been saying? :hmm:

MM
 
Yeah but what's to be gained? Even the guy who fronted the idea said it would probably only net you some revenge.

How would you get the $250 back? I think the OP has the right idea, send one email to the leader of her new band, then let it go. That way at least you send the message that you know what they're doing, you know it's wrong, and that you aren't afraid to say so. Who knows, maybe her new BL wound up with her share of conscience and he'll do the right thing.

Other than that, I don't see any way to make hay off this...

It's not about what you can gain; It's about what you could lose.

People don't like feeling like they're being taken advantage of. No one on that email list signed up to be a part of this new band's mailing list. Personally, I'd be a little pissed off knowing that my email information was being passed around between these bands - and goodness knows how many others. I'd end up putting BOTH bands on my spam list and would stop going to the first band's shows out of spite. Call it petty, but I'd expect a band to show a little more respect and care with my personal information.

So what's to gain with a letter from a lawyer? Nothing really, but by not sending one you could potentially lose a portion of your fan base.
 
BTW, you guys who think Tom's ideas are too extreme have yourselves been using some pretty silly examples in order to exaggerate them...and thus, blow them all out of proportion. :rolleyes:

Sure, the lawyer's letter basically comes down to a bluff. And at a certain point, you do have to do a cost-benefit analysis, and if the bluff doesn't work, then (and only then) you move on. But it's surely got a lot more teeth than simply sending a message to the singer's new BL, saying "We know what you did..." (To which he probably thinks, "So what"?)

I suggest a one-time email blast to the list, to inoculate and distance Band #1 from any potential future email abuses by Band #2; TR suggests hiring a lawyer to draft & mail a "cease and desist" letter to Band #2 - on a one-time only basis - and you guys are all wringing your hands about the "damage" done to Band #1's reputation. :rolleyes:

Nonsense! What about the damage done by being too passive? How badly do you have to get screwed with before you'll push back? :eyebrow:

Personally, I'd MUCH rather gain a reputation as someone you don't want to cross, than as someone you can bend over whenever you wish. Bonus points: You stand your ground on a less substantive issue such as this one - and you make it considerably less likely that anyone will ever want to mess with you when it comes to a more substantive issue in future.

It's called "deterrence". Think about it... :hmm:

MM
 
Bingo! What have I been saying? :hmm:

MM

^ Full Agreement!

I'm becoming exasperated reading comments basically advising the OP to "suck it up" and "chalk it up as a learning experience!" While my gut wants to go the "nuclear/TR route" - I'm originally from Jersey so I'm feeling ya TR, my head tells me that the "email YOUR people" and give them the scoop is not only justified but warranted. Protect YOUR property and protect YOUR fanbase!
 
I suggest a one-time email blast to the list, to inoculate and distance Band #1 from any potential future email abuses by Band #2;

On the other hand, think about this: if band #1 sends a one-time e-mail blast to the contact list, then everyone on the list will know that band #1 gave away the list to another band, which may not be the case otherwise.
 
next time put more trust in your instincts. you felt it wasnt a good idea. the best part of saying "NO" about giving something to someone is that you can easily change your decision later. once you say "YES" its much more difficult and you have to deal with the complications.
 
^ Full Agreement!

I'm becoming exasperated reading comments basically advising the OP to "suck it up" and "chalk it up as a learning experience!" While my gut wants to go the "nuclear/TR route" - I'm originally from Jersey so I'm feeling ya TR, my head tells me that the "email YOUR people" and give them the scoop is not only justified but warranted. Protect YOUR property and protect YOUR fanbase!

Ha! Im near Philly and I think they put something in our water. Makes us all high strung :hyper:
 
^ This +a gazillion. Time to hold yourself accountable for handing the list out in the first place. On the other hand, there's not much else you can do except ensure that you never hand out fanlists again.

BTW... I was wondering if you'd ever given the list to anyone else prior? Or was it just her because of the hotness and the badgering. And the hotness.

(john, you do come up with some good advice. Sometimes sig-able even :D )

Wow, thanks! Mind if I sig that??? :D
 
On the other hand, think about this: if band #1 sends a one-time e-mail blast to the contact list, then everyone on the list will know that band #1 gave away the list to another band, which may not be the case otherwise.

The people on the list pretty much already know that they're on Band #2's list. An apology & explanation of how they got there can earn points for Band #1, & also help identify who the d-----bag is in the whole scenario.

It's also an excuse to contact people, let them know that you're (Band #1) still around, still appreciate them, let them know what you're doing/working on, playing next, etc.
 
The people on the list pretty much already know that they're on Band #2's list. An apology & explanation of how they got there can earn points for Band #1, & also help identify who the d-----bag is in the whole scenario.

It's also an excuse to contact people, let them know that you're (Band #1) still around, still appreciate them, let them know what you're doing/working on, playing next, etc.

^ Word!


Ha! Im near Philly and I think they put something in our water. Makes us all high strung :hyper:

Yeah, gotta resist the WWTSD - What Would Tony Soprano Do? We gotta resist our natural inclination to immediately start quoting from "Ezekiel 25:17" when folks slight us. Instead we gotta become like little Fonzies. And what's Fonzie like?

Be the shepherd dude. Try real hard to be the shepherd. You trackin? Now write the bleedin email!!!