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Once again, Rush dissapoints
- Thread starter MGR
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I find it funny that someone who is criticizing a band, whether Rush or any other band, is complaining when the tables are turned. You state your opinion, someone is going to disagree.
And really, they can do what they want. They earned that privilege. You can critique or criticize it all you want, and have good right to do it if you are unhappy with something, but in the end there are going to be many that don't agree, and many that do. Some don't even support the band anymore, because they are so put off by the changes from the mid-80's. That's their right. But, if you are going to criticize or critique, expect people to disagree, sometimes vehemently.
Of course you are going to get flak for having an opinion. Not everyone is going to agree. Some people feel very strongly about Rush, and I think the band is awesome enough to warrant that kind of devotion, and of course that also means that people get really hurt when the band does something they don't like. You obviously are disappointed, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't expect everyone to agree, or give you a pass.
And, about the set list: what are some songs that you wanted them to play?
OP here. Thanks for the mature and reasoned response. Briefly, I really don't care about people agreeing with me or not. As you aptly pointed out, these are our opinions, and as such, can be agreed or disagreed with. But what I do care about is rudeness towards me, which a few people showed.Especially since I have just as much cred as any hardcore 35 year fan of Rush who knows every song (except last two albums) by heart, and whose first show was the MP tour when I was a wee lad, and whose room was platered in Neil Peart photos and posters. Hell, I even wore a white shirt and red bowtie sometimes in High School in a payment of homage to Neil's attire on Exit Stage Left!
So, you asked what would be on my list. Great question. It would include
Afterimage
The Body Electric
Freeze
Sweet Miracle
Different Strings
Losing It
Countdown
Open Secrets
Farewell to kings
Chemistry
And a bunch of other stuff of Vapor Trails, which is in my personal pantheon of top 5 Rush albums.
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Those are great songs, most of which I would like to see as well. I personally like the set that they put together for this tour, it's a good representation of their songs throughout the years, though there are a couple of songs that I would have replaced for others, but with a catalog as deep as theirs it's just not going to happen. I guess I take a bit of a "I'll take what I can get" attitude when it comes to Rush these days, but I can see how you would be disappointed.
I get where you are coming from with regards to the responses that you received. I agree, rudeness isn't necessary at all, you are just stating your opinion, and it's one that some do share, but I do want to point out something that is bothering me a bit about your responses, which is in regards to your "cred", as you put it. Maybe it's just me, but I give as much respect to a fan that maybe just discovered the band recently as I do to someone who saw them when Rutsey was in the band. Cred doesn't come into play IMHO, some that have responded to this thread weren't even born when Moving Pictures was released, and just because they were born too late for it doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid, and the same for those that discovered them later on in their career. While you don't say explicitly that your years as a fan give you any special treatment or right to be critical, it is implied.
You said that you saw the MP tour when you were 9, so that would put us around the same age. I, on the other hand, didn't really start listening to Rush until 1988, and my first concert was the Presto tour. They are my favorite band, but does the fact that I didn't see them until the Presto tour make me less of a Rush fan?
I want to hear Passage to Bangkok, Cold Fire, Fly By Night, and Secret Touch.
Rush could have a trainwreck of a R40 tour in general and people would still consider them legends. They could probably screw up something every show and people would still love them.
I kinda hope they make an oopsie in Vancouver; it'll be hilarious the see Alex acting goofy again. "Still no guitar...still no guitar..."
Rush could have a trainwreck of a R40 tour in general and people would still consider them legends. They could probably screw up something every show and people would still love them.
I kinda hope they make an oopsie in Vancouver; it'll be hilarious the see Alex acting goofy again. "Still no guitar...still no guitar..."
I like YOUR mature response to everything. It takes a helluva lot of maturity and humility not to blow up at everyone's face. However, the bolded part I put is something I kind of take offense at.
I discovered Rush about 2010ish when my then- current favs, Dream Theater, replaced Portnoy. The new album with Mangini was a flop for me. I didn't like it save for two songs. I couldn't get used to it. I have my own opinions about Portnoy vs. Mangini but that won't be discussed here. I wanted something else that was just as great and just as legendary and a band that didn't conform the industry's demands.
I was watching DT's 20th Anniversary documentary and they talked a lot about this band named "Rush", so I was all "Hmmm...I Wonder what's so great about these guys."
I clicked on the first song on YouTube: Limelight. Of course I recognized the tune but until that point I didn't know who had wrote that song. I was intrigued for a while.
When did I fully get absorbed into Rush? Oh let's say 2012. After listening to Spirit of Radio, YYZ, Tom Sawyer, and Limelight from their Snakes and Arrows Tour CD, I was into them. Then I discovered Clockwork Angels and the Time Machine Tour. Listened to the former and watched the latter and I was fully fully fully into Rush.
Won't go back. I will love this band until the day I die.
Having been a fan since their early days doesn't give you any sort of special treatment or privilege. I hate people who think like that. Sense of self-entitlement that doesn't exist. It just exists in people's minds to make themselves feel better than others.
Op here. No, it makes you just as much as a fan of me.
I guess my point of establishing my "cred" was not to impress people per se, but to show that I'm not a casual fan making light of the band. I can see how it can be interpreted your way though, so hopefully, to the extent that you care, this sets the record straight with regards to the "cred" issue.
OP here. Read the above post I made addressing the same thing you brought up. Again, only establishing my "cred" as a base so people do not accuse me of being a "casual fan" making light hearted, non-thought out pronouncements. It was never meant to make myself above or superior to anybody in any way.
I disagree slightly with your sentiment here. Although I said that I didn't establish my "cred" to make myself superior in any way, I truly believe that if I had a choice of conversing with two people about Rush, one who was a fan since 74 and one who was a fan since 2012, I would much rather choose the one from 74 because chances are they would have more to contribute to the conversation in terms of tour stories, possible band meetings, the sociological impact of Rush. Not to mention the fact that I could reminisce about times that I simply couldn't with a fan since 2012. For instance, with a fan from 74, I could talk about how awesome the Signals tour was, and how Peart really encapsulated the times with his lyrics on Grace Under Pressure. Yes, I probably could have a similar convo with a fan since 2012, but chances are it would be a much more rudimentary conversation, as enjoyable as it indeed may be.You don't have to mention how long you've been a fan for then. Honestly, it just makes us look arrogant and fools.Not just you...anyone who says "I've been a fan since 1974" or "1987"...
Anyhow, I hope my point is taken in the spirit it was given.
Smooth_bass88
vaxx!
- Oct 31, 2006
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Smooth_bass88
vaxx!
- Oct 31, 2006
- 12,122
- 16,796
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- have been on nationally released albums, charting on the Billboard 200
Smooth_bass88
vaxx!
- Oct 31, 2006
- 12,122
- 16,796
- Disclosures
- have been on nationally released albums, charting on the Billboard 200
I used to dream, as a kid, about being a famous rock star. It's threads like this that make me so glad I only play in a stupid bar band that very few people give a crap about. At least we get to play what we want without a bunch of "fans" telling us how wrong we are. How terrible we are to our idols.
Uh, what? Yes. I think they are completely ignoring fans and saying, "you know what, we are going to play Tom Sawyer again because, gosh darnit, we just like it."
Come on, guys, think outside the TB bubble fora minute. They aren't playing an entire set of Necromancer and Bytor and the Snowdog because they are trying to put together a set that will appeal to the broadest audience and then adding in a handful of deeper cuts for hardcore fans. Case closed. I don't care what anybody on here says, The guys in Rush and their agents, managers, tour personnel, marketers, PR people and record label know a little bit more about what makes a show sell than just about anybody on here.
