One-piece Ebony neck?

[ehque]

seems like we should all build our instruments out of glass.

glass is made from sand, so i guess we have a pretty much inexhaustible supply of it.

 

[Basschair]

I do believe that's enough of that.


This thread got way off track right at about post #5, and if it keeps going in that direction, it'll be closed. Though deforestation is an issue I personally find extremely important, it was/is not relevant to the original post.

If you have any more honest and productive questions regarding wood, deforestation, reforestation, species names/classifications, start your own thread and keep it civil.

IMO: Larry was not attacking anyone. He is being honest and to-the-point with his thoughts, knowledge and opinions on the matter.

 

[Alpha-Dave]

Hi folks,

well thank you all for your input, from this advice I've decided to go for an Ebony and Bubinga laminate, specifically B/e/b/E/b/e/B so the centre and just over half the mass will be ebony, but the bubinga will make it more stable.

Also there will be a couple of graphite rods, but they would have been there from the start.

Thanks,
David.

 

[Suburban]

...sigh... Ebony is genus Diospyrus of the family Ebenaceae. Rosewood is genus Dalbergia of the family Leguminosae. Dalbergia melanoxylon is a true ROSEWOOD traded as African Blackwood, not an ebony. This thread is about EBONY, not rosewood!!! Trade names are irrelevant to factual assignment of wood species botanically. A true ebony is not defined by "me" or my "view" but by scientific assignment ... sigh...

Which Diospyrus?

You got me real curious, by mentioning science. Linné was born some 300 years ago, this year. Lots of events in Sweden on that theme.

Diospyros is a family name, but common names very usually refer to one of the members of the family. And more likely to species cross families than to >1 of a family.

 

[Larry Davis]

Which Diospyrus?

You got me real curious, by mentioning science. Linné was born some 300 years ago, this year. Lots of events in Sweden on that theme.

Diospyros is a family name, but common names very usually refer to one of the members of the family. And more likely to species cross families than to >1 of a family.

Every tree has a botanical classification which enables anyone, whatever his native language, to identify species of wood accurately. The importance of this "scientific name" cannot be over-emphasized.

For example European walnut follows this chain of classification:
Kingdom....vegatable
Division....Angiospermae
Class......Dicotyledoneae
Order.....Juglandales
Family....Juglandaceae
Genus.....Juglans
Species.....Regia
It is universal practice to use the last two names and is known as the binomial system, where the first name is assigned to the genus and the second to a specific epithet to indicate a species of that genus. In the case of ebony the Family is Ebenaceae, Genus is Diospyros and species are many.

Hope this helps one and all understand scientific botanical classification.

 

[erikbojerik]

... a dope punchy bright warm tone.

Now there's a bass adjective if I ever heard one!

Good pieces of quartered mac ebony can be had for a 1-piece neck for ~$200 give or take.

IMO, Larry has injected a needed dose of info policing here...I see nothing at all wrong with calling out bad info. He's forgotten more wood info than most of us will probably ever know. Thanks Larry!

...in that spirit...

For example European walnut follows this chain of classification:
Kingdom....vegatable

*ahem* (Kingdom Plantae)

I would never make a bass out of vegetables. Veggies....yuck!

 

[Larry Davis]

...in that spirit...




*ahem* (Kingdom Plantae)

I would never make a bass out of vegetables. Veggies....yuck!

I'm on it!!! I copied that classification chain directly from "Woods of the World", and I had to take them at their printed word since I don't study much above the family level. I did a bit of quick research and here's one link to definition of the vegetable kingdom. Walnut is listed along with other nuts and berry producing "trees". What has your research turned up? I know the botanists fight tooth and nail over classifications time to time.

I think the high price for an ebony neck is downfall. Lots must be cut away and discarded to get a proper blank. The falldown is less valuable and the charge must be paid by someone me thinks. Probably the rarity of a quality board of ebony influences the price also.

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Class III. Words Relating to Matter
Section III. Organic Matter
1. Vitality
2. Special Vitality

367. Vegetable.


NOUN: VEGETABLE, vegetable kingdom; flora.
organism, plant, tree, shrub, bush, creeper, vine; herb, seedling, plantlet, exotic, annual, perennial, biennial, triennial; legume, pulse, vetch, greens; asparagus (vegetables) [See Food].
FOLIAGE, leafage, verdure, foliation, frondescence [rare]; prefoliation, vernation; branch, bough, ramage, stem, tigella or tigelle or tigellum or tigellus; leaf, spray, leaflet, frond, foliole, bract, bractlet, bracteole, cotyledon, pad [U. S.], flag, petal, needle, sepal; spray [See Part]; petiole, petiolule, bine; shoot, tendril.
FLOWER, blossom, bud, burgeon, blow, blowth [rare]; floweret, floret, floscule, flowering plant; inflorescence, flowerage.
TREE, sapling, seedling, stand, pollard, dryad [fig.]; oak, elm, beech, birch, timber tree, pine, palm, spruce, fir, hemlock, yew, larch, cedar, savin or savine, juniper, chestnut, maple, alder, ash, myrtle, magnolia, walnut, olive, poplar, willow, linden, lime; apple (fruit trees) [See Food]; arboretum [See Agriculture].
banyan, teak, acacia, deodar, pipal or pipal tree; fig tree, eucalyptus, gum tree.
WOODLANDS, virgin forest, forest primeval, forest, wood, timberland,

 

[Suburban]

Every tree has a botanical classification which enables anyone, whatever his native language, to identify species of wood accurately. The importance of this "scientific name" cannot be over-emphasized.

Well, that's for sure! For example, we wouldn't need to argue about what is ebony! Nor what is tulipwood, a fairly resent thread.
Scientific names over common names, ya all hear!?

In the case of ebony the Family is Ebenaceae, Genus is Diospyros and species are many.

Then, if all these species are ebony, no US citizen needs to import african hardwwod. You have texas persimmon and virginia persimmon already on your soil!

Or is there a minor tweak in your argument, Larry, my friend?

Yes, there is. You need the 2 last names to define the tree. Then you can start discussing properties. No?

 

[Larry Davis]

Well, that's for sure! For example, we wouldn't need to argue about what is ebony! Nor what is tulipwood, a fairly resent thread.
Scientific names over common names, ya all hear!?


Then, if all these species are ebony, no US citizen needs to import african hardwwod. You have texas persimmon and virginia persimmon already on your soil!

Or is there a minor tweak in your argument, Larry, my friend?

Yes, there is. You need the 2 last names to define the tree. Then you can start discussing properties. No?

Suburban, I agree with with our good mod, Paul. There's no further point in this. Must be the water. I'm much tighter with my definition of "friend"...sorry. Have a a nice day... I'm out!!

 

[Basschair]

I'm sorry if I was ambiguous in what I wrote earlier. This thread is closed.

Which Diospyrus?

You got me real curious, by mentioning science. Linné was born some 300 years ago, this year. Lots of events in Sweden on that theme.

Diospyros is a family name, but common names very usually refer to one of the members of the family. And more likely to species cross families than to >1 of a family.

Well, that's for sure! For example, we wouldn't need to argue about what is ebony! Nor what is tulipwood, a fairly resent thread.
Scientific names over common names, ya all hear!?


Then, if all these species are ebony, no US citizen needs to import african hardwwod. You have texas persimmon and virginia persimmon already on your soil!

Or is there a minor tweak in your argument, Larry, my friend?

Yes, there is. You need the 2 last names to define the tree. Then you can start discussing properties. No?