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Only $2,000 to improve your amp's performance

#601
dmusic148 said:
Maybe not. If you are prepared to spend that kind of money, you really, really want to believe it works, and you probably will believe it, even if it doesn't do diddly.
Also, high prices alone fool people into believing things about products. "it's expensive- it must be good."
People are funny like that, and marketing folks know it.
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And ego or self-image plays a role, too; even if there is no improvement, many people will tend to want to believe as an affirmation of their hearing ability or the quality of their instruments or gear.

Can you make a bass rig sound different when you change the power cord? Absolutely. But you can make it sound just as different without changing the power cord, too. Sure as you can make it sound the same with different power cords, too.
 
#603
Limeman said:
Def: "A conjecture is a proposition that is unproven but appears correct yet has not been dis-proven". Seems to me this works both ways.
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That's an oddly worded definition. Anyway, it applies lot more in one way than the other. The burden of proof really lies on those making the claims that certain power cords have extraordinary, and what seem to be supernatural, capabilities. I'm sure it's a fine power cord that does everything a power cord can do, every bit as good as those costing $10 or less. Does that require "proof"?
 
#604
You know, a good test would be pretty easy to do. Get an amp and cab and mic it up into a computer. Play test tones through the amp at a fairly high level, which is presumably where the high-dollar cord would have an advantage. Do the same test with both a high-end and inexpensive cord, graph the results, and compare. Anything you can hear, you can see. Actually, you can see a lot more that you could ever hear this way.
 
#605
dmusic148 said:
You know, a good test would be pretty easy to do. Get an amp and cab and mic it up into a computer. Play test tones through the amp at a fairly high level, which is presumably where the high-dollar cord would have an advantage. Do the same test with both a high-end and inexpensive cord, graph the results, and compare. Anything you can hear, you can see. Actually, you can see a lot more that you could ever hear this way.
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Ive seen this done with a pair of $600 headphone cables on an audiophile website, The blind test was done through a pair of $2000 Grado's and used a $600 electro-shielded whatever cable and a bent Metal Hanger (from your closet) Saudered to an input jack.


nobody could tell the difference :P
 
#606
dmusic148 said:
You know, a good test would be pretty easy to do. Get an amp and cab and mic it up into a computer. Play test tones through the amp at a fairly high level, which is presumably where the high-dollar cord would have an advantage. Do the same test with both a high-end and inexpensive cord, graph the results, and compare. Anything you can hear, you can see. Actually, you can see a lot more that you could ever hear this way.
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That sounds like entirely too reasonable of an approach. I would prefer a test with a much more subjective methodology which could be subject to great conjecture. Preferably, something involving monkeys.

That would be far more entertaining than your silly little "controlled" and "scientific" experiment.
 
#608
PSPookie said:
That sounds like entirely too reasonable of an approach. I would prefer a test with a much more subjective methodology which could be subject to great conjecture. Preferably, something involving monkeys.

That would be far more entertaining than your silly little "controlled" and "scientific" experiment.
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Perhaps. But somebody here MUST have the ability to do my test.
 
#611
dmusic148 said:
Not really. Physics, which are known and proven, are working against you here. True, the physics don't actually disprove the claims, but they sure do push the smart money in a particular direction.
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And I have no problems with that, as it would seem a logical place to start from. But to end the argument there, without actually using or even testing the product - that is where I continue to have issue.
 
#614
Limeman said:
And I have no problems with that, as it would seem a logical place to start from. But to end the argument there, without actually using or even testing the product - that is where I continue to have issue.
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Is there a compelling reason to consider that this power cord may somehow be different from all the others before that don't do anything that a regular power cord doesn't? It's not like this is the first "magic" power cord.
 
#615
Limeman said:
And I have no problems with that, as it would seem a logical place to start from. But to end the argument there, without actually using or even testing the product - that is where I continue to have issue.
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So does that mean you have an issue with people disbelieving my claim that I can throw a 150 mph fastball? After all, they haven't seen me pitch, nor have they tested me.
 
#616
dmusic148 said:
You know, a good test would be pretty easy to do. Get an amp and cab and mic it up into a computer. Play test tones through the amp at a fairly high level, which is presumably where the high-dollar cord would have an advantage. Do the same test with both a high-end and inexpensive cord, graph the results, and compare. Anything you can hear, you can see. Actually, you can see a lot more that you could ever hear this way.
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Why would you do that when you could just not mic the cab, change the cord yourself, stand back and hear the difference for yourself? :D
 
#618
dmusic148 said:
Perhaps. But somebody here MUST have the ability to do my test.
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What about the company itself?

It'd make MILLION$ of dollars.

:eyebrow:

Same as the snake-oil shysters that sell hair loss remedies, for which they also have many testimonials from the easily-deluded. Why are those companies still in business? Do we need to buy and test all of those to make sure they're frauds?

:rollno:
 
#619
With this post quoted below you display very clearly why you are not worth considering. It is chock full of wild exaggeration and either gross and very rude or flat-out lies.


When dreaming every night people hear & see things that do not exist at all. When awake they are easily fooled by optical and aural illusions.

We can "hear" data that is missing from MP3 files, and "hear" chord extensions or rythmic ideas that aren't actually there when listening to music. What about speech - you never misunderstand something or even "hear" something that wasn't said?

But when focusing desperately and *expecting* and even *wanting* to hear differences, with cash and egos on the line, yours and Wooten's and Dave's hearing is superhuman perrrfect and all of science and common-sense is totally wrong. That's egomaniacal.

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There's much worth worth considering if you study auditory memory, hearing fatigue, auditory memory span (on avg. 5-15 seconds ... how long does it take to swap cables in these extremely faulty "tests"?), irrelevant sound effect, power of suggestion, etc. etc.

No reasonable and humble person, much less one with a basic clue about how hearing and the mind works, would even trust their own ears when "testing" the way any of the True Believers have described it, much less trust your hearing when you're so prone to extreme exaggeration and, at best, gross lack of comprehension or at worst deliberate misrepresentation, dismissiveness, and outright lying.

"many even suggested that both Victor Wooten and Adam Nitti (who have stated they heard a difference and use the product) are tone-deaf, tin-eared shysters who will say anything for a free-bee. Hilarious. "

Your distortion and lack of comprehension is transparent and hilarious. It'd be even more hilarious to see you try and prove that with a quote from this, or any, thread. Still more proof the reasonable people will never get to see, or hear.



Limeman said:
Don't let it bother you man. I also dared to suggest that IMO/IME I too heard a difference with the MusicCord Pro over a standard power cord and was pummeled endlessly in this thread - though in no way beaten! ;)

I was hoping to get a blind a/b test completed several weeks back, but that was postponed due to conflicts in schedules. I do plan to follow through in the near future, and will be happy to report both the methodology and results to this group for analysis. I'm doing this for myself because I did hear a difference and I am wondering if I can somehow measure it. Ultimately though, the only way the results will be accepted by the majority of naysayers here is if I report back that the cable was a total failure. Any other result, no matter how carefully it was obtained, will be insufficient. They will find any number of arguments to punch holes in the test, and will declare that it was ultimately flawed due to obvious "believer" bias.

You cannot win with this group so don't even try. Heck, many even suggested that both Victor Wooten and Adam Nitti (who have stated they heard a difference and use the product) are tone-deaf, tin-eared shysters who will say anything for a free-bee. Hilarious.

Look - I appreciate everyone's respectful opinion, but until you have used the product, your suppositions, no matter how scientifically backed, are nothing more than conjecture.
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