Only $2,000 to improve your amp's performance

[Richard Lindsey]

But to end the argument there, without actually using or even testing the product - that is where I continue to have issue.

Without any additional data worth trusting, that's the only place the argument CAN end, for now. If somebody brings in some real data, the argument can continue; without that, the pro-cord argument is not worth further consideration. Merely using the cord on a gig would be worthless for data collection purposes. Real tests, of the type already mentioned ad nauseam, would be useful, but no one, especially not the manufacturer (don't you find that suspicious?) has done these. And make no mistake: it's not the consumer's job to do the manufacturer's testing for them. It's the manufacturer's responsibility to test their stuff.

So, in the absence of data, why should anybody consider the pro-cord argument seriously at this point?

 

[Sundogue]

640 posts about a freaking cord?



Seriously, over a cord?



You guys are all joking, right?

 

[lomo]

640 posts about a freaking cord?



Seriously, over a cord?



You guys are all joking, right?

The discussion is obviously not really about the cord at all.

 

[aborgman]

I only offered that I did hear something different with the PowerCord, have asked questions as to how that might be possible, have personally purchased one to see if I could determine what it was I was hearing, and have kept an open mind to be proven right or wrong in the process.

No, you CLAIMED you heard something different.

You quite likely even believe you heard something different.

That doesn't mean you actually heard something different. If you've kept an open mind, you'd realize just how fallible your sighted hearing test was and quit claiming that you definitely heard something.

You THINK you heard something - but without repeatability and the test being blind, your brain might just be making it up.

 

[JimmyM]

640 posts about a freaking cord?



Seriously, over a cord?



You guys are all joking, right?

it's so not about a cord at all, dogue. it's about being ripped off by people who don't prove their outrageous claims. if this was a food item, they'd have already been ripped a new one by the fda.

listen, i know you guys who bought this don't want to believe you've been ripped off. but that's the only conclusion we can arrive at without actual proof from the company, which is neither providing it nor do they seem like they have any plans to provide it. the only thing they provide as proof is testimonials. so if they believe in it so much, where's the testing?

you call us closed-minded for not believing it works without trying it. but really, you're the closed-minded ones for rejecting proper science.

 

[lomo]

Yo, Jimmy, I am so glad that the hardest working man in show-biz and his Devo lid are BACK .....on the good foot!

 

[Sundogue]

it's so not about a cord at all, dogue. it's about being ripped off by people who don't prove their outrageous claims. if this was a food item, they'd have already been ripped a new one by the fda.

listen, i know you guys who bought this don't want to believe you've been ripped off. but that's the only conclusion we can arrive at without actual proof from the company, which is neither providing it nor do they seem like they have any plans to provide it. the only thing they provide as proof is testimonials. so if they believe in it so much, where's the testing?

you call us closed-minded for not believing it works without trying it. but really, you're the closed-minded ones for rejecting proper science.

I know it's not about a cord.

I'm just surprised that there would be 640 posts about something so inane as what this so-called magic cord could possibly do to improve one's sound.

This would make a great Jeopardy category...

Give me "Great American Cons" for $2000 Alex...

 

[JimmyM]

Yo, Jimmy, I am so glad that the hardest working man in show-biz and his Devo lid are BACK .....on the good foot!

ya, i had some stuff i needed to move so i got another supportimg membership

thanks, lomo!

 

[MrBEAR]

Should anyone be curious enough to entertain performing their own sighted/blind test there is a lower priced, introductory pricing, option currently available through Audio Advisor:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PGAC9

.6 meter AC9 power cord is regularly priced at $100.00.
The introductory price is $39.99.

My only comment is that they are obviously not giving them away but, and the manufacturer and the store have to be making something, so now you may draw your own conclusions on sonic virtue value before the $60.00 magic marketing dust gets added back on.

Only if you are truly curious of course.

No affiliation I just still get their catalogs from a purchase five years ago.

Cheers,

 

[Nikoubis]

I adore this thread.

 

[KramerBassFan]

Hmm smells like an MC3500?

Yes Please!

Although hand wound transformers for it would probably eat up $1,000 of my budget....

 

[Limeman]

No, you CLAIMED you heard something different.

You quite likely even believe you heard something different.

That doesn't mean you actually heard something different. If you've kept an open mind, you'd realize just how fallible your sighted hearing test was and quit claiming that you definitely heard something.

You THINK you heard something - but without repeatability and the test being blind, your brain might just be making it up.

Yes. That is correct. IMO I heard something different with the cord. I have never run any type of serious test yet nor have I claimed to have had. All was IMO. Nothing more. I do wish to run a serious test, but that has not happened yet.

 

[Demonator]

I think I'm going to need one of these cables.

 

[seamonkey]

I don't think this thread should be closed until we reach a conclusion, in the form of a correctly administered, double-blind test.

That won't happen. For one, nobody is able to do this without first studying up on how to conduct a proper blind study.

Measurements won't happen, and if any were done they'd be well below the threshold of human hearing.

If it happened and a proper blind test and measurements were published, there would still be plenty of "believers"

Take for example the shelf loads of Homeopathic remedies sitting on the shelves at drugs stores everywhere. While there are some medicines like aspiring (ASA) that have had double blind studies for many benefits, many other on the shelf remedies have no blind studies or studies at all. The blocked off pharmacy in the back is where the tested drugs are.

No studies homeopathic remedies means good money for placebos.

Some actual studies have shown these homeopathic remedies are useless, yet they're still on the shelf.

The homeopathic remedies first try to convince people that you have an ailment. Some by posting in forums on the internet. Others in big ads or getting themselves shills and media coverage. Some people may take a pill, and they may feel different, but in the long run, it may be no help and actually harm them. They may never get the right medicine.
Snake oil of yesteryear had some dangerous compounds or addicting drugs in them. Future studies may prove the same for some of the off the shelf homeopathic snake oil remedies.

These cables are placebos. Snake oil, homeopathic remedies, for non existent ailments that the manufacturer is trying to convince people that they have. The manufacturer is not providing any proof. Some people are going to believe.

 

[Implosion]

That won't happen. For one, nobody is able to do this without first studying up on how to conduct a proper blind study.

Measurements won't happen, and if any were done they'd be well below the threshold of human hearing.

If it happened and a proper blind test and measurements were published, there would still be plenty of "believers"

Take for example the shelf loads of Homeopathic remedies sitting on the shelves at drugs stores everywhere. While there are some medicines like aspiring (ASA) that have had double blind studies for many benefits, many other on the shelf remedies have no blind studies or studies at all. The blocked off pharmacy in the back is where the tested drugs are.

No studies homeopathic remedies means good money for placebos.

Some actual studies have shown these homeopathic remedies are useless, yet they're still on the shelf.

The homeopathic remedies first try to convince people that you have an ailment. Some by posting in forums on the internet. Others in big ads or getting themselves shills and media coverage. Some people may take a pill, and they may feel different, but in the long run, it may be no help and actually harm them. They may never get the right medicine.
Snake oil of yesteryear had some dangerous compounds or addicting drugs in them. Future studies may prove the same for some of the off the shelf homeopathic snake oil remedies.

These cables are placebos. Snake oil, homeopathic remedies, for non existent ailments that the manufacturer is trying to convince people that they have. The manufacturer is not providing any proof. Some people are going to believe.

Totally OT but deserves to be posted

 

[Munjibunga]

Totally OT but deserves to be posted .

 

[lomo]

The last 2 links have really kicked this thread up several notches on the entertainment value scale.....IMO, of course
Thanks for the chuckles, guys. Not as off topic as they might initially seem, either. And just as an FYI, echinacea and glucosamine/chondroitin sulphate happen to be 2 remedies that have been tested in double blind fashion and found not to exceed placebo in efficacy. I guess after the 80s proved that shark cartilage did not cure cancer, they found another way to market the stuff, with a dramatically broader application (and bottom line) but equally shaky foundation in truth.

 

[aborgman]

That won't happen. For one, nobody is able to do this without first studying up on how to conduct a proper blind study.

Conducting a proper blind study using recorded material is SIMPLE.

Record each sample with no variation, level match the files, plug them into PCABX.

Done.

 

[DeluxeRed]

So...all you need to do then is just tell the audience that you're using the magic cord. Then, they'll all believe that it indeed does sound better. And if they all believe you sound better, then you really do sound better, don't you?

"Hey, y'all. Thanks for comin'. You're in for a special treat tonight..."

 

[brandinstroy]

Don't hate on ESP unless you have tried it. I have just received it to try this thing out with my audio staff. These cables actually Do Not make a sonic difference. The reason you are hearing a sonic difference between ESP cables and standard IEC cables is the design of the cable. ESP cables provide the amplifier the correct current power, even during peak usage, to reproduce sound the amplifier has been designed for.

I was very skeptical as well as my coworkers after watching the videos online. I spoke with the designer of ESP explaining our disbelief. He says everyone feels the same way I felt. He sent one out to us to test and hear what we have to say. So after listening to the DIFFERENCE ESP power cables produce we plan on taking out all standard IEC cables and replacing them with ESP cables.

I am sold on what ESP is doing.