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#201
I believe that Mr. Bruce Wayne has hit the truth.
A luthier has the vision, experience, material understandings, and creativity to create a musical instrument.
He makes a prototype or two to refine the design.

The robot CNC machine then duplicates his precise commands so that he can then spend his time creating the next work of art.
Kind of like how many of the masters in the art world created so many pieces both 1,000 years ago as well as today.
The concept is not new.

There are those that say instruments should be made with hand tools and not electric saws, drills, etc.
I don't know why the say this although I still think OJ was guilty so what do I know?
 
#202
Unless you gouge out wood with your fingernails, it's not hand made, per se. I don't see the difference in a robot or human hand holding the router, to be honest. The bit is doing the hard work. Is a door more open if you open it yourself, versus one which opens automatically? Yeah, didn't think so. What the hell am I talking about?
 
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#203
Jim C said:
I believe that Mr. Bruce Wayne has hit the truth.
A luthier has the vision, experience, material understandings, and creativity to create a musical instrument.
He makes a prototype or two to refine the design.
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But who is a luthier? Being a luthier means that you can build an acoustic guitar from scrath as well as an electric bass guitar or it is good enough if you know how to copy a pre-design model, request someonelse to make a bunch of copies of the instrument parts ( body, neck, pickupd, bridge,tuners) and then put them together?

IMO luthier is an overstated tittle.
 
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pedroims said:
But who is a luthier? Being a luthier means that you can build an acoustic guitar from scrath as well as an electric bass guitar or it is good enough if you know how to copy a pre-design model, request someonelse to make a bunch of copies of the instrument parts ( body, neck, pickupd, bridge,tuners) and then put them together?
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It depends on the day and who you ask.
What if the CNC operator/programmer is name Luther?

I've met guys who claimed they were audio engineers that couldn't mix a bowl of soup.
I used to work with some guys that couldn't close a door much less a complex sale.
Is there some sort of test like a masters in fine arts for a painter?
 
#209
I will take a stab at this ..." the best machine that is good at metal" ... it depends on the metal ... most of the commercially available CNC lathes and mills can cut just about anything, the key is the speed, feed rate and most important, the cutting insert, and it takes a human to know what to use, the machines that I service & work on are Mori Seiki's and Fanuc controls ... seen amazing things made
 
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I find it amusing that most people really have little idea of what a cnc does, seems to be folk think you drop a slab of wood in one end and a near finished guitar pops out the other side..

I mean, you'd be ok with a 'luthier' using a router template right? Even hand making a guitar you need to use templates for everything..

Cnc is just a router following a template
 
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mr.mow said:
I find it amusing that most people really have little idea of what a cnc does, seems to be folk think you drop a slab of wood in one end and a near finished guitar pops out the other side..

I mean, you'd be ok with a 'luthier' using a router template right? Even hand making a guitar you need to use templates for everything..

Cnc is just a router following a template
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Well, you really don't need to use templates for everything, but if you want any of the parts to be replaceable or fit anything else, it is kind of nice. Reminds me of reading I did on the US Civil War - at the beginning of it, especially in the south, most of the firearms actually in use generally were hand made without good templates and repeatable processes, so nothing was interchangeable, and soldiers usually had to carry their own personal bullet molds with them. Given that the North was much further along in the whole mechanical / production revolution process, it actually was a fairly large factor in the outcome.
 
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Canadian APII said:
Computers are no more than a tool and far from our crowning achievement in my opinion. They are no more a jump in technology than the printing press. Personally, I wrote my first program in 1980 in basic. I would put many works of art and even our civilization at the top.
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Computer technology is a major achievement of our species in the class of fire, clothing and electricity and has pushed us farther forward in the last 50 years than the rest of our history combined.

I don't understand how any work of art or a typesetter can compete with something that can deliver the entirety of human knowledge with a keystroke.
 
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Big Brother said:
Computer technology is a major achievement of our species in the class of fire, clothing and electricity and has pushed us farther forward in the last 50 years than the rest of our history combined.

I don't understand how any work of art or a typesetter can compete with something that can deliver the entirety of human knowledge with a keystroke.
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An art museum is a repository of our emotions and it must be experienced slowly. To get close to a masterpiece and see each individual strand of hair on the subjects head, to see the blemish on one of Michelangelo's models elicit emotions and wonder hundreds of years after they were painted. Will computers do that in two hundred years? A computer is a tool like a screwdriver. Nothing more. Why not worship the screwdriver. A paintbrush is a tool like a computer but a brush is the tool used to put emotions and feelings to canvas and is not greater than the painting.
 
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bholder said:
Well, you really don't need to use templates for everything, but if you want any of the parts to be replaceable or fit anything else, it is kind of nice. Reminds me of reading I did on the US Civil War - at the beginning of it, especially in the south, most of the firearms actually in use generally were hand made without good templates and repeatable processes, so nothing was interchangeable, and soldiers usually had to carry their own personal bullet molds with them. Given that the North was much further along in the whole mechanical / production revolution process, it actually was a fairly large factor in the outcome.
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Interesting. I didn't know that. I always assumed the English and we dastardly Canadians gave the Confederates everything they needed.
 
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mr.mow said:
I find it amusing that most people really have little idea of what a cnc does, seems to be folk think you drop a slab of wood in one end and a near finished guitar pops out the other side..
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That's not how guitars are built, obviously...... but it's not an impossibility. I believe the technology is readily available for such an operation, but the requisite profit motive to implement it, is not.
 
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Big Brother said:
Computer technology is a major achievement of our species in the class of fire, clothing and electricity and has pushed us farther forward in the last 50 years than the rest of our history combined.

I don't understand how any work of art or a typesetter can compete with something that can deliver the entirety of human knowledge with a keystroke.
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Too bad computers can't tell us how, when, and why the Giza Pyramids were built.
 

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