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Oof…my band just got fired!

She didn't fire the band, she fired the bar!
This.
Whatever you do, don't burn any bridges.

As an owner, if a single night's receipts were $10k instead of the customary $3-4k, that would catch my attention and certainly merit investigation. If my manager slaughtered the cash-cow, killed the goose that laid the golden egg, etc. by firing the band. we would have words.
And this!

I remember a first outing at one club that wasn't prepared for the size of our crowd. They only had one server scheduled for the night and were scrambling to bring in others once they saw what was happening. Drink service was slow, but we explained it to our crowd during the first set, called out the server by name, and asked everyone to show some patience and tip generously. Man, did that work wonders. The bartender and server loved us for taking the pressure off, and the manager made sure to have more servers scheduled for our show. We gigged there regularly for the next 18 months.
 
This.

And this!

I remember a first outing at one club that wasn't prepared for the size of our crowd. They only had one server scheduled for the night and were scrambling to bring in others once they saw what was happening. Drink service was slow, but we explained it to our crowd during the first set, called out the server by name, and asked everyone to show some patience and tip generously. Man, did that work wonders. The bartender and server loved us for taking the pressure off, and the manager made sure to have more servers scheduled for our show. We gigged there regularly for the next 18 months.

Dude, this is so spot on. One of my old bands - which used to gig a lot in local bars 10-15 years ago when that was still an active scene around here - used to make it a point to help the bar staff and manager out as much as possible by being encouraging and helping to keep the crowd happy and chill when it came to stuff like that. When you have that sort of vibe with the bar/management staff and effectively become a 'manager' at the mic, it can open up a whole lot of other opportunities too. We got a number of recommendations for wedding gigs, private gigs, and other events because we took on that role to keep the vibes up.
 
yeah, I've seen that happen near me as well.
Bars that used to be rockin on the weekends, now they want mellow stuff because they don't have staff to handle crowds. I got the, "Try and keep it easy going until about 10:00pm" line from a bartender, and our night was over at 11 anyway. Just pick different tunes to match the vibe I guess.
 
You clearly came to the gig with the wrong amp. You could have made more money between sets than you did for the gig!
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One thing I have noticed is that brewing great beer is one thing & operating a successful tasting room with amenities is another thing altogether and many don't make it.
I've dealt with two in the past 8 months just like this - great beer - beautiful room & no clue how to market and execute the concept if there is one?..

It's always a warning sign when you arrive at a gig and quickly comprehend that you are much more organized then the venue.
 
On the one hand, yeah, it sucks. It sucks losing a gig. It sucks when people come to see music and the venue is unprepared. It sucks when customers are rude to overwhelmed bar staff. And, it sucks that the decision is to not have live music rather than adjust to accommodate live music.

But also, running a brewery bar is not the same as running a live music venue or club. It may seem dumb like, "Why are you choosing to make less money?" But there's way more to it than that. If they want to run a brewery bar and not a live music venue, then that's just that. There's a business model they're going for. You could tell them, "You'll make more money if you sold Bud & Coors & Pabst," but that's not their business model. You could tell them they'd make more money if they sold hard liquor, but that's not their business model. (Maybe they do sell liquor, but many breweries don't.) You can tell them they'd make more money if they had strippers. That's not their business model. And maybe they could make more money being a live music venue, but they're not. They're a brewery. They'd have to revamp their entire business model.

I think (opinions being what they are) the mistake for them was having music in the first place, because they're a brewery, not a live music venue. Someone probably thought it would be fun and boost business a bit without realizing what running a music venue would entail. And it probably pissed off the regulars, and the people who came just for the beer and dinner and brewery atmosphere. All that new business might sound great to you but to the regulars and to the brewery, they're one-off customers for one night who drove the regulars and the staff away. There are definitely places i used to go to for food & drink that i stopped going to because they started having live music.

Still, the whole situation sucks.
 
Never heard of a scenario where a company tries to reduce their business. Weird.

I have a friend who owns a small brewery near here and decided to try the waters in tthe Seattle market. Everything he sent up there sold out in couple of days, so he bailed on the idea, saying he couldn't afford to stiff his regular customers and/or compromise quality and he had no interest at all in expanding. I really admire that, actually. Many other local brewpubs have come and gone and he's still in the same building he started in, and his beer is still great.
 
reminds me of the gas station back home that had a taco bell express in it. The taco bell did so well it was taking money away from the gas station, so, instead of doing the smart thing of building a full fledged taco bell since we all wanted tacos, they shut it down leaving us all tacoless.
 
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we got fired once, at least we thought we did, from a club because the owner didn't like rock & roll...he liked Doo Wop. Even though we brought in a good crowd that stayed with us to the end he constantly complained about the music.
One night, our last night there, he kept telling us to turn down. He'd come up to the band and start yelling at us. I told him the PA was on "1" and if we turned down anymore we'd be "off".
So, with him up there complaining I told the audience what was happening and asked them if we should turn down or up...they all started yelling to turn up.
So I turned our system up to the normal operating range, turned to the band and said,'This will most likely be our last gig here so let's have fun". And that was that. The guy went home and left it to his manager, who confirmed that the owner was an ahole who just hated rock n roll.
We left, with no expectation of returning. Then 2 months later I got a call from the manager asking us to book some more gigs there...I declined and told him we didn't care to work with that owner again.
BTW: That place is no longer open for business.
 
When they get their act together and ask you back (for less money, of course), make sure you don't return at a reduced rate. Good luck!

I was about to quote you're consoiranoic, but the more i think about it the more I feel like a disingenuous loser. I'm about to turn 49 and still can't read that far deep into people's intentions. But it could be a possibility. I'm still closer to the "stuff rebellion" hypothesis, but the worst case scenario is always an antidote for disappointment :thumbsup:
 
We just got an email from a local brewery we played at last weekend. It was our second time there, and both times went well in our opinion…in that we brought a sizable crowd and a bunch of new business to a venue that normally does not host live music. Apparently, we did too good of a job last weekend, as the brewery was understaffed and deep in the weeds most of the night. People were waiting in line 15+ minutes just to order a beer, and then 10+ minutes in another line waiting for it to be served. Orders were getting lost. Guests were scolded for ordering food at the bar and taking it outside to the patio where we were playing. According to the manager, some people got impatient, and some of the staff took that as "abuse". From what I witnessed myself between sets and knowing our crowd, nobody was drunk and belligerent (just thirsty, since they were standing around waiting forever for a drink).

Long story short, the manager emailed us saying she's decided to cancel our three remaining events on the calendar. It's too bad. We had a good rapport with the manager. They are in a unique position to be the only venue in the area offering live music outdoors in the summer. From the start, we have offered to work with her to make the events successful not just for us, but for other acts as well. Our goal was to help grow a little local music scene. Our singer managed high volume restaurants for years, and he had some simple ideas for streamlining their service on event nights to keep the staff happy and the beer flowing. They just aren't equipped to handle the increased business at this time, and have decided that live music brings in too many people. On a positive note, I see more golf in my future.

Business probably won't be around long. One line to order a beer and another to pick it up? Never heard of such a thing.
 
We just got an email from a local brewery we played at last weekend. It was our second time there, and both times went well in our opinion…in that we brought a sizable crowd and a bunch of new business to a venue that normally does not host live music. Apparently, we did too good of a job last weekend, as the brewery was understaffed and deep in the weeds most of the night. People were waiting in line 15+ minutes just to order a beer, and then 10+ minutes in another line waiting for it to be served. Orders were getting lost. Guests were scolded for ordering food at the bar and taking it outside to the patio where we were playing. According to the manager, some people got impatient, and some of the staff took that as "abuse". From what I witnessed myself between sets and knowing our crowd, nobody was drunk and belligerent (just thirsty, since they were standing around waiting forever for a drink).

Long story short, the manager emailed us saying she's decided to cancel our three remaining events on the calendar. It's too bad. We had a good rapport with the manager. They are in a unique position to be the only venue in the area offering live music outdoors in the summer. From the start, we have offered to work with her to make the events successful not just for us, but for other acts as well. Our goal was to help grow a little local music scene. Our singer managed high volume restaurants for years, and he had some simple ideas for streamlining their service on event nights to keep the staff happy and the beer flowing. They just aren't equipped to handle the increased business at this time, and have decided that live music brings in too many people. On a positive note, I see more golf in my future.
Well as a restaurant professional who's worked in the industry over 15 years, the manager strikes me as one of those airheads who likes to brag about their position and collect their money while putting forth zero effort. They're short staffed because they most likely pay like s**t and have zero structure. Pro servers and chefs turn and run from joints like that. Your job was to provide entertainment, their job is to provide the hospitality. You succeeded, they failed. Most of my career has been in fine dining, but I have dealt with in house live music from time to time and let me tell you we all jump for joy. We know we will turn a huge profit at the bar AND the kitchen. Great opportunity to clear out the walk in cooler and create some fun late light munchies and move all the free beer we got from our reps. Also, a lot of us restaurant folks happen to be musicians as well so it's always a joy to watch the band and chat with them after the set. I know none of this has anything to do with bass, this is more of me venting because I've dealt with some of these ding dong managers in the past and it's frustrating to hear these things.
 
There was a hostess who wouldn't ask the patrons if they wanted to be near the band. So the people who wanted to talk were up front and the people for music were in the back.

Same venue I was playing with a singer songwriter across the room rather than down as with a quartet. The table in front complained to the manager that we were too loud, they wanted to converse. The next table back "three feet"kept asking the manager to have us turn up. :)
 
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Wow.

I read one page of responses. Just too cringe for me to go further.

  1. A lot of opinions about a business no one has direct experience with outside of reading an email.
  2. "Fired"? Bands are contract labor, and as such, are expendable. 2 gigs doesn't even qualify as a full proof-of-concept, much less something to be fired from.
  3. Staffing in the service industry is a challenge these days. It becomes compounded when you risk higher turnover due to overworking existing staff.
  4. Growing a business too fast results in a higher failure rate than slow growth.
  5. Respect that at least they were transparent in the reason they were discontinuing live music. Most bars would just cut you without comment. Many would wait until the last minute to tell you.
  6. Running a small business. Try it sometime.
 
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That's the dumbest restaurant/pub management I've ever heard of in my entire life.

You made them way too successful so they let you go.

They MUST realize they are incompetent, right? Those reality shows that find places with bad management and solve the problems so they become a success... they would take the management aside and slap them in the face about their decision.

What the restaurant needs to do is delay your upcoming gigs until they have solved their own inability to do their own jobs properly in a newly demanding environment that drives success.
 
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