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Origin Effect DCX vs Darkglass Harmonic Booster as a standalone preamp into PA

@Artorias

I'm going to make a recommendation in your specific scenario that I think you could potentially have a great tool, the type of tone you want, the type of connections that you should have and a best overall features device that is only like around $300 +/- retail.
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I'm part of the "No FOH without an XLR output" camp.
I have a Harmonic Booster, it's a great piece of gear, but not what I'd consider a preamp so much as a tone coloring device. You need something with an XLR output and EQ; the Harmonic Booster simply isn't that.
Sounds to me like a Genzler Magellan Pre or Broughton Messenger JR might be more what you're looking for
 
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So, I've done some research based on recommendations and info in this thread and have narrowed things down to the following 3 preamp pedals:

Aguilar ToneHammer V2 (seems like they've really improved the AGS idea and it seems like it has really useable overdrive to the point I could add just a touch of desired)

Aguilar AG (very clean, I like the low/high mid controls, but the set frequencies for those controls are kind of making me second guess)

Genzler Magellan (seems very… present. The controls seem useful and intuitive. I really don't understand why there's no bypass option though… I need to unplug the pedal between uses?)

Thoughts welcome
 
So I'm hearing you are down with the 3 band 18v SR4 Bass Preamp. Definitely looking for "clean" to cleanest possible signal. Need to properly address a powered speaker. IF a drive is ever used, it's going to be very minimal. Some provided preamp EQ is potentially problematic. (Not really sure about the "why can't I bypass" something and basically go direct with the Bass straight into the powered speaker without the preamp being able to be engaged?)

How about this no nonsense kit...
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So I'm hearing you are down with the 3 band 18v SR4 Bass Preamp. Definitely looking for "clean" to cleanest possible signal. Need to properly address a powered speaker. IF a drive is ever used, it's going to be very minimal. Some provided preamp EQ is potentially problematic. (Not really sure about the "why can't I bypass" something and basically go direct with the Bass straight into the powered speaker without the preamp being able to be engaged?)

How about this no nonsense kit...
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I think my description of my issue with the Genzler was misinterpreted. If I were to go direct from bass to my powered speaker, I'd just use my 1/4" cable. I do this quite often. My confusion over why they didn't include a footswitchable bypass option goes back to how my space is set up: everything is plugged in behind a large piece of furniture. I don't have access to a power strip switch, for example, to turn everything off. So when I'm done, I unplug my bass and hang it on the wall, flip the power switch on the back of my powered speaker, and I'm good to go. When running a preamp pedal, usually putting it into bypass mode effectively turns it off. With the Genzler, it seems like I'll have a light on at all times no matter what and if I want to turn it "off", I need to reach down and unplug the power adapter from the pedal. I feel like this is a huge oversight… but it could just be me and a very specific "problem" with my setup that most people wouldn't even experience in theirs.
 
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I think my description of my issue with the Genzler was misinterpreted. If I were to go direct from bass to my powered speaker, I'd just use my 1/4" cable. I do this quite often. My confusion over why they didn't include a footswitchable bypass option goes back to how my space is set up: everything is plugged in behind a large piece of furniture. I don't have access to a power strip switch, for example, to turn everything off. So when I'm done, I unplug my bass and hang it on the wall, flip the power switch on the back of my powered speaker, and I'm good to go. When running a preamp pedal, usually putting it into bypass mode effectively turns it off. With the Genzler, it seems like I'll have a light on at all times no matter what and if I want to turn it "off", I need to reach down and unplug the power adapter from the pedal. I feel like this is a huge oversight… but it could just be me and a very specific "problem" with my setup that most people wouldn't even experience in theirs.
You're correct, the Magellan can be muted, but not bypassed. Perhaps it's a bit OCD, but I don't leave power on to my pedals, amp, etc, between uses in any case. I use a power strip with at least one onboard switch (preferably one for each outlet), surge protector, etc, which also obviates any wall-access problems.
 
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If you are not looking for an overdriven tone, what about a graphic eq? You can easily dial down any excessive extended range and shape the mids however you like. And you can run it into your preamp to avoid or complement it's eq section.

And if you are looking for a clean preamp, take a look at the MXR bass preamp. It's clean with a nice simple eq with sweepable mids.
 
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I pulled the trigger on the Genzler Magellan Preamp pedal. It's pretty amazing. Very transparent while offering a very diverse set of EQ controls. Definitely tames some of the extremes of the Stingray Special. The contour controls on this preamp are game changing for me. It's like having 2 amps. With contour A, I'm getting a very GK vibe that can get really mid-scooped at extreme settings, but at modest settings it's just a slight enough scoop and slight boost to the bass and treble. Very modern and ultra-pristine, but not at all harsh. It's still taming the zing a bit and isn't boomy or wooly. Contour B gets me a more Mark Bass (but not quite as sterile and dull) mixed with Ampeg tone (but not super low end thick and wooly). Again, not boomy or wooly, takes most of the zing away, but it's still slightly there… it just takes more of a back seat. A bump in the mids and low mids while the low end stays defined and tight, but breathes. The mid frequency sweep is really useful too, going all the way up to 2.5khz if I remember correctly from 4 hours ago. The entire sweep is useable depending on the tone you're going for. The high pass filter is nice and I had really never considered one before. It is a very, very subtle effect. I had trouble hearing much of a difference in the few YouTube videos I found on this preamp, but in person it really cleans up the extreme low end. It seems to retain the good usable parts of the bass frequencies while getting rid of the super low, "vibrating" rumble that seems to want to make my speaker flub. Even on its highest setting (120 hz I believe), there is still plenty of solid low end that's kept tight and responsive… musical I dare say.

The only downside I've found so far is that the XLR out into the Mic level XLR input on my QSC CP8 is very noisy. It has a constant hiss that reminds me of my first PA's noise floor issues (Alto 12" powered speaker), and I get a slight warbling when a note is just finishing decay. Now, running 1/4" from the preamp into the line level input of the QSC is dead silent and works perfectly. However, I could chalk this up to my inexperience with XLR and mic level overall. In order to get usable volume that matches the 1/4" line level input, I'm turning the +db boost for the mic level input with the XLR up to max. This might be what's introducing the noise. I don't know for sure and this might simply be a case of the user not understanding how these interactions occur and proper use scenario.

Another thing to note: this preamp is ultra clean. I maxed the input gain and turned my stingray all the way up (both the volume and all three on-board EQ knobs) and this this is still crystal clear. Zero clipping from what I can tell. Maybe slight clipping with the very lowest frequencies, but barely noticeable.

Like I have heard this described in The Bass Negus YouTube review, it doesn't color your sound, but it just does something… indescribable. It seems to take the best parts of your bass's sound and enhance them. It also seems to take the parts that are usually difficult to get rid of and most people (me especially) learn to live with and work around, and get rid of them. It really is a great preamp pedal and is making me focus more on playing, less on fiddling and adjusting. It sounds cliche, but there really isn't a bad sounding setting to be found in this unit.
 
Yes, that hiss is definitely coming from maxing the gain on your CP8 (I have two of those as live monitors myself, they are very quiet).
Does your preamp have some sort of master/output volume pot? Try to turn that up! Remember the first rule of gain staging - always get your signal as loud as possible as early in the chain as possible!
Also, the CP8 has a "Mic Boost" button on channel B (for connecting microphones without using a preamp or mixer) - you might want to try pressing that (but turn down the gain first...)