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Original color???

#7
Its not a LPB its an IBM (Ice Blue Metallic).

The original color aged to teal metallic with the clearcoat yellowing.

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#9
The upshot is that the OP missed out on a RARE original pre-CBS "custom color" bass, which is unfortunate, because some decent research skills would have proved that color is correct.

The 12 string I played at Rumbleseat in Ithaca about 10 years ago. They also had a Jazz bass in the same color on the wall that was also beautiful, both aged to that stunning green/blue color from the original blue. Since then, I built the Telecaster, with a finish that reproduces the color (IBM with yellowed clearcoat) as done by Mark Jenny, a well renowned re-finisher of classic fenders with period correct detail.

In the early through mid sixties, Fender offered a few nice 'custom colors' meaning that they were special order only. Burgundy Mist and Charcoal Mist were also of this series.
 
#13
your idol said:
heres a jazz i found. when they start getting old and especially faded and yellowed they grey/green out quite a bit. LPB color is quite skewed going from a very pearly royal blue-ish to a grey turquoise color.

ones this faded and far off seem to be rare but when oxidizes who knows what it will do.
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90% of the LPB that are from the era we're discussing that I've seen turn darker...a sort of turquoise blue...The one shown I've literally NEVER seen one turn that color silver blue. It doesn't show any yellowing of any kind.

For example...this one at Rumbleseat is representative:

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#14
Ice Blue Metallic (Blue Ice Metallic) was offered from '65 - '69.
If it is a '63 body, I still think it is LPB. Pot dates and a shot under the pickguard would really help.
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Man, it went for $4100. Either buyers are suspicious, or the market is really down.
 
#15
BurningSkies said:
The upshot is that the OP missed out on a RARE original pre-CBS "custom color" bass, which is unfortunate, because some decent research skills would have proved that color is correct.

The 12 string I played at Rumbleseat in Ithaca about 10 years ago. They also had a Jazz bass in the same color on the wall that was also beautiful, both aged to that stunning green/blue color from the original blue. Since then, I built the Telecaster, with a finish that reproduces the color (IBM with yellowed clearcoat) as done by Mark Jenny, a well renowned re-finisher of classic fenders with period correct detail.

In the early through mid sixties, Fender offered a few nice 'custom colors' meaning that they were special order only. Burgundy Mist and Charcoal Mist were also of this series.
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Mr.Burning Sky,
The reason that I didn't do a search was because IMO,WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TOPICS TO DISCUSS!!! Go ahead,take a poll...... I think most would agree wholeheartedly!!!:D
Also,I beg to differ about my "search skills". I've searched long and hard over the years (with g-r-e-a-t success,btw!) for killer basses,and a killer woman. And I succeeded g-r-e-a-t-l-y with both,my friend.:D
 
#17
It's funny that it says "original" when clearly the case, bridge and pickguard are replacements, and it is a possible refin as well. I guess that's the difference between "original" and "ALL original". Semantics.

The color looks like IBM that has faded, but IBM was a later color (and typically has an undercoat. Also,the seller never showed what was under the guard - color, routes, pickups, pots, etc - just stated that the pots and pickups are original...so it makes it tough.

The slab board is correct for early 63, though it was replaced with a veneer later that year.

The logo looks like a replacement, so it has possibly been resprayed at some time in its' life - which brings the body color into further question. The reason I believe the logo is wrong, even with the poor quality photo, is that by late 62 there were 4 patent numbers under the logo. Even if they used an older decal when originally building it, there were 2 patents from 1961 till late 62. Unlikely that a 1960 decal would wind up on a 1963 bass. Fender used things from the parts bin, but typically there isn't that wide of a "spread" in part dates. Still, I guess it could just be a bad quality pic, but it sure doesn't look like there are any patent #'s under the logo.

Nice looking bass, but I would have to see a lot more pics or visit it in person to see how "original" it really is.
 
#19
JimB52 said:
Ice Blue Metallic (Blue Ice Metallic) was offered from '65 - '69.
If it is a '63 body, I still think it is LPB. Pot dates and a shot under the pickguard would really help.
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Man, it went for $4100. Either buyers are suspicious, or the market is really down.
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IBM started out the factory in 1964...I've handled a few of them.
 
#20
Two axioms;

1) Never say never with old Fenders.
2) People have been switching parts and messing with dates on Fender guitars since forever.

I don't think that's a '63 neck at all. It "should" have a veneer board instead of a slab board.

And the date "should" be ink-stamped instead of penciled if it were a '63 neck. IIRC, both these features changed mid-stream 1962.

Look at the last penciled digit in the date. It's kinda obscured, but it could easily be a "2" with a squiggle on the bottom. Or even a "0" with a loop "added" on top, to make it look like a 3.

Or maybe it's a 59-61 neck that never had a date, and someone penciled one in years later. Or maybe.....

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