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outlets/conditioners

#21
BurningSkies said:
Did you try it with a basic power strip to see if it did the same thing as the Furman? ;)

For real, to get real 'power conditioning' you need way more hardware than what a "cheap" furman can provide. You better ratchet your cash up in the the upper 3 digits even to begin shopping, Otherwise you're not getting anything than a decent strip in a fancy box.

My first test is a basic outlet tester that I carry in my gigbag to make sure everything is wired correctly. If it ain't, you can't fix it and you just might get killed if multiple outlets are wired wrongly or just not the same.
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yes, before i went on the other side of the building i plugged into 2 strips with same results.

I own several circuit analyzers ("basic outlet tester"). I am an electrician. I got the fixing and troubleshooting down.
 
#22
MikeGee said:
yes, before i went on the other side of the building i plugged into 2 strips with same results.

I own several circuit analyzers ("basic outlet tester"). I am an electrician. I got the fixing and troubleshooting down.
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Well, take a look at the spec for the Furman unit you bought. Besides 'noise suppression' I don't see anything else listed that does anything meaningful to the power. Do you? It also doesn't correct line voltage, only read it. It does surge protect, but then so does nearly every other power strip that's not of bottom feeder level. I'm not seeing anything there better listed than what I have my home stereo, TV or computers hooked up to.

Sorry, I don't buy that it was a furman power strip, no matter how many lights it has.
 
#24
MikeGee said:
I dont know either. All I know it did what it did. I get it, there isnt anything there to support my claims. I also know that my conditioner is a permanent fixture in my rack.
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Yep. You've got a fancy rack-mount power strip.

I've been playing gigs for over 25 years now and have been fine without. :)

The voltage read out is fun, but I have yet to see what you're supposed to do in a real gigging situation...you're on a big stage, you look down and see the voltage droop. Do you walk off mid song? Do you refuse to go on before your set? Do you demand the 'house electrician' come an fix things?
 
#25
BurningSkies said:
Yep. You've got a fancy rack-mount power strip.

I've been playing gigs for over 25 years now and have been fine without. :)

The voltage read out is fun, but I have yet to see what you're supposed to do in a real gigging situation...you're on a big stage, you look down and see the voltage droop. Do you walk off mid song? Do you refuse to go on before your set? Do you demand the 'house electrician' come an fix things?
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lol, no its not like that i wont make a demand of anyone. all i ask is i can hear me and my band mates. I only went with the voltage meter cuz i am an electrician. just something to look at, like my digital tuner with strobes. i dont need the tuner either just something to look at. i need something flashy since my playing aint.

:bassist:
 
#26
MikeGee said:
lol, no its not like that. I only went with the voltage meter cuz i am an electrician. just something to look at, like my digital tuner with strobes. i dont need the tuner either just something to look at. i need something flashy since my playing aint.

:bassist:
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They would have extra sales if they upped it to BLUE LEDs... With all those lights on stage I hope you're not prone to seizures... ;)
 
#31
BurningSkies said:
MikeGee said:
yes, before i went on the other side of the building i plugged into 2 strips with same results.

I own several circuit analyzers ("basic outlet tester"). I am an electrician. I got the fixing and troubleshooting down.
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Well, take a look at the spec for the Furman unit you bought. Besides 'noise suppression' I don't see anything else listed that does anything meaningful to the power. Do you? It also doesn't correct line voltage, only read it. It does surge protect, but then so does nearly every other power strip that's not of bottom feeder level. I'm not seeing anything there better listed than what I have my home stereo, TV or computers hooked up to.

Sorry, I don't buy that it was a furman power strip, no matter how many lights it has.
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A personal story from someone who is a professional in the field should have been a clue to reconsider your position.
 
#32
boynamedsuse said:
A personal story from someone who is an expert in the field should have been a clue to reconsider your position.
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No. I'll do nothing of the sort. Again, a look at the specs for the unit makes me feel pretty good about my position.

If maybe we were talking about this unit:

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http://www.furmansound.com/product.php?div=01&id=IT-20_II

I might reconsider. But then, at 1800$ and 80lbs, I don't see a lot of players carrying meaningful 'power conditioning'.
 
#33
boynamedsuse said:
A personal story from someone who is a professional in the field should have been a clue to reconsider your position.
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The poster said he was an electrician. No offense, but far from being a "professional in the field" as you claim.

To the contrary, there are quite a few Electrical Engineers that have posted as to the snake oil features of the so called "conditioners"
 
#34
Bass_Pounder said:
The poster said he was an electrician. No offense, but far from being a "professional in the field" as you claim.

To the contrary, there are quite a few Electrical Engineers that have posted as to the snake oil features of the so called "conditioners"
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Give him a break, he's a noob...he didn't know he had walked into a room where everyone pretty much knows each other. And that the engineers had already made the serious points. ;)

He didn't even know that I'M the snarky one. ;) Better yet, he was fighting a battle that didn't even exist.

...he probably didn't know that this whole thread is a script that we repeat on a weekly basis anyway...
 
#35
BurningSkies said:
Give him a break, he's a noob...he didn't know he had walked into a room where everyone pretty much knows each other. And that the engineers had already made the serious points. ;)

He didn't even know that I'M the snarky one. ;) Better yet, he was fighting a battle that didn't even exist.

...he probably didn't know that this whole thread is a script that we repeat on a weekly basis anyway...
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Man. Just talk about me like I an not here. Lol
 
#36
boynamedsuse said:
Calling power conditioners "snake oil" is, well, irresponsible. The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) is probably the largest professional organization for electrical engineers.
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The Audio Engineering Society is the largest professional organization of audio and acoustical engineers and it does not recognize the need for external power conditioning when the internal device power supply is sufficient to do the job. In the vast majority of cases, it is. The only device recognized to do a significantly better job is a balanced AC line transformer, installed at the service entrance, connected to the 110v-0-110v supply, transforming it to 55v-0-55v balanced power. Cheap it ain't, nor is it portable.
So at a church I was using a Ibanez combo, zoom pedal w/di out 2 different heads. Everything at home worked as it should but at this church... usta be a machine shop. All of the mentioned equipment failed with the same symptoms. Brought in a cheap power conditioner (Furman M8Dx). Not sure how to explain it but all equipment worked.
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I do know how to explain it. Using two heads you had a ground loop, which plugging into the M8Dx corrected. BTW, the M8Dx isn't a power conditioner, it's a filtered power strip with a fancy digital voltage readout. One of the 15A filters shown here, or the equivalent, is what it uses:
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Most quality gear today already contains that same level of line filtering, or better.
 
#39
billfitzmaurice said:
The Audio Engineering Society is the largest professional organization of audio and acoustical engineers and it does not recognize the need for external power conditioning when the internal device power supply is sufficient to do the job.
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I see. External power conditioning is not needed when the internal device power supply does the power conditioning.

:confused:

:eyebrow:

:hmm:

I thought you said in post #5 that power doesn't need to be conditioned, so power conditioners are a waste of money.
 
#40
boynamedsuse said:
I see. External power conditioning is not needed when the internal device power supply does the power conditioning.

:confused:

:eyebrow:

:hmm:

I thought you said in post #5 that power doesn't need to be conditioned, so power conditioners are a waste of money.
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Read what I said again. Power does not need to be conditioned; filtering isn't conditioning. Arguing about things which you do not understand just for the sake of arguing wastes everyone's time.
 

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