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P bass v. J Bass-- Does the congregation care?

So, I know there are a billion p v. j threads on this forum, hopefully, this one will at least be a bit different. I played two long sets at my church on Sunday with very different basses. During the first set, I played my Squire P-Bass (modded with a Custom Shop P Bass pickup) and some TI Flats. I alternated betweeen playing with a pick for the uptempo driving songs, and fingers for ballads. In the evening, I played my American Jazz Deluxe. Again with a pick for uptempo songs, and fingers for slower stuff.

At my church, we play mainly contemporary Christian (Tomlin, Redman, Hillsong). When I talked to congregants, who are not by any means music aficianados by any means, after the first set with the Pbass, folks told me that they did not hear the bass, but they could tell it was in the music. I know it is not a volume issue, because we kept my settings the same for both sets. Others said that the bass sounded "bouncy" feel. Others noted that the bass sounded less defined. They weren't sure the bass sounded bad, just different than they are used to in this kind of setting.

When I played my evening set with the J bass, many of the same folks claimed that they heard the music differently, and that the notes on the bass were easier to hear, and sounded more like what they hear on the radio with the Contemporary Christian music. They could tell a difference, but were not sure what the difference was. They weren't sure it made a difference in the end, or that they thought about it during the set, but after the fact they thought of the differences.

At first, I thought all of the p and j threads were an exercise in navel gazing, and that the differences were audible only to bass aficianados such as the people who are members of this board. But, after this experience, I am wondering if I need to revist my prior conclusion. A passive, flat wound strund bass with a split coil should sound different than a bass with a 18 V powered preamp and two single coils, I just didn't think anyone else would care.

What are people's experiences? Does the audience hear/appreciate the difference? Have you gotten feedback from the audience indicating that they could tell the difference?
 
Then the saying is true... nothings sits in the mix like a P-bass. :)
Which might also mean nothings gets as lost in the mix like a P-bass. :D

Very great real world experience you shared.
This is my experience too, that a jazz (on average) stands out a little more than a P.


Me, I keep playing P basses, I really love the feel and sound of a P. Maybe it's just between my ears but I feel more confident playing a P. I'm lost on a jazz but that might be just between my ears too.


And it depends on what kind of audience you have before you to appreciate your choice of bass. Your congregation... or a bunch of metalheads... different crowds to please.
 
It could actually have more to do with the fact that your Deluxe jazz is active but the P-bass is passive. Although a J-bass typically has a more articulate sound (more mids), while a P-bass generally has a deeper tone.

From my experience, this type of nuance is WAY beyond the average non-musician congregation member. Any advantages of one bass over another will be purely subliminal; they may like it better one way, but they won't know why.
Chuck
 
Shhhh :ninja:

You can make a P bass stick out if you really want to. It just takes some different eq/technique to do it.

I'm actually the complete opposite of you. I can't make a J bass sound good or stand out for the life of me, but I can do it with a P bass no problem.

Hey CapnSev, could you share some of the EQuing you do to get it to stand out? Do you have your tone knob up? Volume up on split coil? What are the amp settings?
 
Shhhh :ninja:

You can make a P bass stick out if you really want to. It just takes some different eq/technique to do it.

I'm actually the complete opposite of you. I can't make a J bass sound good or stand out for the life of me, but I can do it with a P bass no problem.

I play in an aggressive power trio and thought that a jazz might sound great so i bought one, and a few weeks later i was playing my p again. Sure the jazz bass "cut" through the mix, but it lacked any balls and was really thin sounding. My P bass has that bottom end thunder and the punch to cut through. It fills out the sonic space alot better. With some dirt and a pick i'd take a P over a jazz for most things.
 
Hey CapnSev, could you share some of the EQuing you do to get it to stand out? Do you have your tone knob up? Volume up on split coil? What are the amp settings?

Honestly, I don't eq my P bass all that much. I leave my LMII totally flat, only using the two filters for eq. As far as eq on the bass- I put the tone or volume knobs where they need to be for the song, I use them a lot actually.

I think the tone I get is more from my technique than anything. I just change up my plucking or my right hand position to get the bass to do what I want.
 
I'd say it's apples and oranges, as the variables are pretty limitless. Comparing a fairly low end bass to a fairly high end bass, made with different cuts of wood (maybe even different types of wood), and garnering responses from people who have different musical backgrounds (maybe some love Motown and were used to hearing the bass in a different way than people who only listen to top 40), where people were sitting in the room, the songs they paid attention to, whether or not they are deeef, how the number of people affected the acoustics of the room, and about a billion other things.
 
No one cares what you are playing besides other bass players, guitar players and sound guys who think that only a Fender (P or Jazz) sounds good.

Out side of that, again, no one cares.
It could be a $9000 Fodera or $250 Squire. If the sound guy isn't doing his job, one can quickly sound like the other.

But, it matters more to you (and the FOH who IS doing their job) than anyone else. There is no "one bass sounds better in the mix" than the other ala' a P Bass over a Jazz.

And if anyone holds by rules like that, then they have some learning to do. Any bass can sound good in any situation for the most part.

I've used everything from Roscoe, Ken Smith, Warwick, Sadowsky, Fender, Parker, Lakland, Hofner, Valenti, GrooveShoppe and others at church (same sort of music as you listed) and used them all with great results. And none cared.
Well, our sound guy did. Loved my Sadowsky.

IMO, I could seriously doubt anyone in the congregation cared or noticed.

I would use what you and your sound guy thinks works the best.
 
While the P is bassier in a flat setting compared to the J with the controls flat - That's pretty much where it ends.

You guys better learn how to use your amp's EQ to get your Jazz as bassy as a P when you need it. And if that doesn't work for you, I'd say to start shopping for a better amp!

I've got 3 Jazz basses - one active, two passive (one of those is fretless) and they ALL are as versatile as you'd want them to be.

They all have the punch and balls I'd put up against any P-Bass, plus they have all the flexibity that the Jazz is known for.

Don't get me wrong, the P is a great bass. But the Jazz, properly amped and EQ'd is far more flexible and can cover all the basses. I'd be willing to do a blind comparison test against any P-bass and I bet you couldn't choose consistently which was which.

BTW, I work with a Markbass LMIII, 800w head and 2 Avatar B410neo cabs. I've spent a lot of time learning the capabilities of my setup and it's paid off for me.

Both great basses - P or J - take your pick.
Mine's a Jazz every time.

:cool::ninja::cool:
 
"I know it is not a volume issue, because we kept my settings the same for both sets"

FWIW, I think this statement pretty well sums most of your responses up .. as mentioned you are using a passive bass (with flats) compared to an active bass, with two different signals coming through ...

I alternate with a gal that uses an active bass, and I play a passive Jazz, we both go direct into the house .. I plug in with her settings and I can't hear a thing in the monitor mix, and my wife out front tells me she can hardly hear me, the worship group feels nothing .. if we have the regular board operator I have her turn me up in the mix and it makes all the difference in the world ... also, you didn't mention if you are also using flats on the Jazz, but you also have flats on the passive bass ... I cant imagine you can get by with the exact same EQ'ing on both those basses in any given room, without one performing less than optimally ...

.. as mentioned earlier, you may be comparing apples and oranges by using the same settings ...

also, I agree, nobody cares ... especially in a worship setting, unless it becomes 'offensive' to the ears, or 'distracting' .... generally, lets hope that the congregation is not analyzing the sound mix, or specific performance parts, but focusing on the words, and the intention of the time spent in worship ...

MikeBass absolutely nails it above ... nobody really cares, and had you not asked a question that solicited a response, it would have probably not even been a thought to anyone involved, unless you had made people aware ahead of time that there was a comparison going on ... of course other bass players listening would be a different story :) ... JMHO
 
Both great basses - P or J - take your pick.
Mine's a Jazz every time.

:cool::ninja::cool:

Guys. THOR(RR) plays a Jazz. That should tell us what to use.


FWIW, I've used my P-Bass with Chromes and Precision V (Jazz electronics) with rounds, both to great results, in the same church setting you play.

That being said, I'm saving up for a set of Nordstrand Big Splits (passive V/V/T) for my Precision V. I'm thinking that will end all tonal quests.

Jazz for me.