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PA system Help - ska/reggae/funk band

#61
Craig_S said:
Modulusman, do you have any idea at all how to give your opinion without being condescending? Around here, you'd get your @$$ kicked pretty regularly. ;)
Here's some info for you:
"To optimize the system signal-to-noise ratio, it's best to optimize the levels of the rest of your system and then turn the amp gains up only as far as you need to." -- Bob Lee -- Applications Engineer QSC Audio Products, LLC / Secretary, Audio Engineering Society
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Do you want to go another round. You got your a** handed to you by me and others the last time you tried to inflict your PA knowledge on us. Believe me I understand this stuff way better than you ever will. BTW you're such a delightful guy you must be afraid to even leave your house. Have you called anyone a scmuck and told them to F themselves to there face lately.
 
#62
JACink said:
Sorry if my translation to english (my 3rd language) sometimes leaves a lot to be desired!

Also I am relieved that you are sad that I sell PA systems for a living, and not my customers.

PEACE!
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I'm sorry I didn't notice you were from outside the USA. after re-reading your post I get what you were saying but the language difference had me confused. :)
 
#63
modulusman said:
Do you want to go another round. You got your a** handed to you by me and others the last time you tried to inflict your PA knowledge on us. Believe me I understand this stuff way better than you ever will. BTW you're such a delightful guy you must be afraid to even leave your house. Have you called anyone a scmuck and told them to F themselves to there face lately.
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You and I should meet for a talk, sometime. We'd see who handed whose ass to whom. I'll call you a schmuck and tell you to to F yourself any time, anywhere. Wanna check, cowpoke?

I didn't hand you MY knowledge, this time. I handed you Bob Lee's knowledge. You're so self absorbed you think you know all, above anyone.

Call me a glutton for punishment. Hand me my @$$ again.
 
#66
Craig_S said:
You and I should meet for a talk, sometime. We'd see who handed whose ass to whom. I'll call you a schmuck and tell you to to F yourself any time, anywhere. Wanna check, cowpoke?

I didn't hand you MY knowledge, this time. I handed you Bob Lee's knowledge. You're so self absorbed you think you know all, above anyone.

Call me a glutton for punishment. Hand me my @$$ again.
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OK what does signal to noise ratio have to do with anything in this thread?:confused: Maybe you can explain it. No I'm not smarter than Bob Lee or alot of the posters on here.
 
#67
It determines how the gain controls are set. You told JACink he was "another guy who thinks the knobs on an amp are volume controls". Your comment assumes it is not okay to run the amp with the gain (on the amp) set anywhere other than full--like so many commonly do. The gain knobs ARE volume controls. You set up your signal first, then set the amp as loud as you need it, using the knobs on the amp. That info comes straight from Bill Lee.

Now, hand me my ass.
 
#68
Craig_S said:
It determines how the gain controls are set. You told JACink he was "another guy who thinks the knobs on an amp are volume controls". Your comment assumes it is not okay to run the amp with the gain (on the amp) set anywhere other than full--like so many commonly do. The gain knobs ARE volume controls. You set up your signal first, then set the amp as loud as you need it, using the knobs on the amp. That info comes straight from Bill Lee.

Now, hand me my ass.
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You still havn't explained what signal to noise ratio is. I'm done argueing with you. I would suggest you spend time on some live sound websites/forums. Here is a link to a good one. Invalid Link Removed Do a search over there for gain structure. Pay attention to what Agedhorse says he is an engineer of the same level as Bob Lee and you can learn alot from his posts. Now I'm off to a gig.
 
#69
non response :rolleyes:

Why do I need to explain what signal to noise ratio is? I wasn't talking about it in the first place other than using this quote: "To optimize the system signal-to-noise ratio, it's best to optimize the levels of the rest of your system and then turn the amp gains up only as far as you need to" which you seem to have misinterpreted, somehow.

The idea, as I understand it, is to get the cleanest signal possible. Mr. Lee believes turning your amp gain full on isn't the best way to accomplish that. You basically called a guy stupid for doing the same thing Mr. Lee recommends.

Thanks for the link.
 
#70
Craig_S said:
non response :rolleyes:

Why do I need to explain what signal to noise ratio is? I wasn't talking about it in the first place other than using this quote: "To optimize the system signal-to-noise ratio, it's best to optimize the levels of the rest of your system and then turn the amp gains up only as far as you need to" which you seem to have misinterpreted, somehow.

The idea, as I understand it, is to get the cleanest signal possible. Mr. Lee believes turning your amp gain full on isn't the best way to accomplish that. You basically called a guy stupid for doing the same thing Mr. Lee recommends.

Thanks for the link.
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Whatever you post a quote an bold the part you think is important and leave out the rest of the quote. Signal to noise ratio isn't what this thread was about.
 
#71
modulusman said:
Whatever you post a quote an bold the part you think is important and leave out the rest of the quote. Signal to noise ratio isn't what this thread was about.
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Whatever is right... :eyebrow: :scowl: You're arguing like my 15 year old daughter--non point after non point. I though we were past the signal to noise ratio. Here's something for you: READING COMPREHENSION. Get some. ;)
 
#73
is there like a chat room you two could go and argue? appreciate the help but this is a little silly....ANYWAY


is there anything i can buy that tells me whether or not I'm clipping my amp or sending to much signal to my speakers? I've seen the red light thing on some dj mixers i think but what can i for live sound?
 
#74
Vinny D said:
I have forgotten what this topic was even about and I just got done reading it :hmm:
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It's about the first post in the thread, then a bunch of me getting a lesson (spanked) on my misunderstanding of wattage ratings for speaker cabinets, someone piped in about how he sets amps and was told he was wrong when he wasn't. It then progressed to modulusman trying to save face by redirecting the issue, saying I had somehow made it about signal to noise ratio. Now, it's about me explaining the thread to you.

It's a forum. The subject gets lost sometimes.

Carrot22 said:
is there like a chat room you two could go and argue?
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no
 
#75
Carrot22 said:
is there like a chat room you two could go and argue? appreciate the help but this is a little silly....ANYWAY


is there anything i can buy that tells me whether or not I'm clipping my amp or sending to much signal to my speakers? I've seen the red light thing on some dj mixers i think but what can i for live sound?
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Next time I'll just call them "twiddly things"!!!

If your amp is clipping it will usually have a light to show this, however, if your amp is of higher output than your speakers, your speakers do not hav this option (unless they are active speakers, then the amp is in the speaker).

However, it is fairly easy to judge when your speakers are hitting their limit as the sound starts to distort. Maybe the best option would be for someone with "tech" experience help you set up the system for the first time, and explain to you what to look for.

I hope my english doesnt lead to round 12 of Ali Vs Tyson!!!


PEACE!!
 
#77
Craig_S said:
It's about the first post in the thread, then a bunch of me getting a lesson (spanked) on my misunderstanding of wattage ratings for speaker cabinets, someone piped in about how he sets amps and was told he was wrong when he wasn't. It then progressed to modulusman trying to save face by redirecting the issue, saying I had somehow made it about signal to noise ratio. Now, it's about me explaining the thread to you.

It's a forum. The subject gets lost sometimes.

no
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Actually what it was about was someone who has owned a PA for a week trying to be an internet expert while saying don't take advice from one.:rolleyes: Then when it was pointed out that he has very little understanding about live sound he tried to prove he was right by posting a quote from Bob Lee about Signal to noise ratio even though that had nothing what so ever to do with overpowering PA cabs.:rollno: OK this is my last post Craig so go ahead and get the last word in:D
 
#78
modulusman said:
Actually what it was about was someone who has owned a PA for a week trying to be an internet expert while saying don't take advice from one.:rolleyes: Then when it was pointed out that he has very little understanding about live sound he tried to prove he was right by posting a quote from Bob Lee about Signal to noise ratio even though that had nothing what so ever to do with overpowering PA cabs.:rollno: OK this is my last post Craig so go ahead and get the last word in:D
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My later post was pointing out that the REAL internet expert (YOU) wasn't as smart as he seems to think he might be.

I admitted I was wrong. That's something you can't do. ;)

Good last word, huh!
 
#80
You know what, that's not all. I don't want to get into this catfight, but would like to contribute some simple real world advice.

1. Cheap brands post bullsh*t specs.
2. None of you have touched on half the stuff that matters. Efficiency, thermal compression, modulus touched on Max spl and that was the only mention of a meaningful measurement.
3. If we are arguing about something as basic and entry level as matching amps to cabs, signal to noise ratio has no relevance in this thread.
4. Threatening to kick someone's ass on the internet is the most world class act of douche-baggery known to man.
5. Turn it up. If the speaker starts to fart out, you've got enough power and crap cabs, if the sound is still crisp and the red clip indicators start lighting up steady, you need more juice. If it just sounds like garbage all the way around and you can't figure out why, Hire sound out for your gigs.

Now,
That is all
 

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