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#261
Originally posted by Coypu


I never disrespected Paul, I merely pointed out that he isn't a great bassplayer in terms of skill. I respect his creative sides eventhough I think that he could have gone alot further if he had a better mentality towards music and the creation of music.

I'm being moved by lots of music but instead of the short bliss you might experience from beatles I get so much more. Something that will last my entire life. You should try it too.
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Thank you for the clarification. Had you only expressed your opinion like this from the beginning few of us would have reacted the way we did.

I'm glad you've found music that moves you. So have I - I share your admiration for Glen Goulds musicianship for example - but you should be careful to reduce peoples affections for the Beatles' music as "a short bliss".
 
#262
You sooo miss the point Coypu
You know Miles Davis could play fast like a mo fo, he could play anything but just listen to "Kind of Blue" nice slow deliberate melodies... Miles emphasized the space. He grew to realize it's not what you say it's how you say it.
The melody does not need to be 32nd notes at 200bpm to be brilliant.
John and Paul were brilliant songwriters and musicians, not just my opinion but that of hundreds, thousands of music historians and scholars.
Innovative? Sgt. Pepper turned the music scene on it's ear. Truly an innovation, it changed the way music was being written and produced. It consistently makes every respectable list of the best records of all time.
Music is not just about technical ability. It's far more than that. I'd be willing to bet that more folks on this sight would rather hear BB King or Santana than Al Dimeola. Al can play circles around BB as far as speed goes but he can't get the SOUL BB put's into a whole note to save his life.
Music is like making love. You don't shoot for speed, you shoot for passion, feel, emotion. I hope when your with a lady it ain't all about speed. Play like your making love man.
If it's just about theory and technique, be an engineer or a draftsman.
You display a lack of musical maturity with your comments. Maybe you should take a little more time and try to see the bigger picture the folks here are trying to help you see.
Speed's great if your a track star. But as a musician it's only one small tool in the toolbox.
I don't doubt for a second that if Paul had been into Speed Metal or Bop he would have done that just as brilliantly as he did his brand of music. He's just talented period.
Music should be insprational, Paul has inspired more peeps to pick up a bass guitar than any of the cats you've mentioned (save Beethoven), and I'm sure they're all good. How can you possibly argue with that?
Take the time to understand and get it! Doesn't it disturb you that ALL these others see and hear what you can't? Are you just so much more evolved or are you missing a link? hmmm....
Next you'll be attacking Muddy Waters bass playing cause he aint got speed...
Peace
 
#263
Originally posted by Coypu
I always thought that it had to do with how advanced theory you apply in your music. If someone is playing all powerchords it is less advanced than someone playing a fugue. And it doesn't matter how fast he plays thoose chords, the fugue is more advanced (as an example).

But that's just theory. I don't believe that complexity and advanced theory make the music advanced, they just make it complex. And music being complex doesn't make it good.

Well here are a song from each band, you should check them out to gain better understanding of my views :
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Ok, I've just had a listen. I got almost half way through the Burzum song, and I'm listening to the Immolation one now.

Uh, what was that you were saying about power chords?!? Cuz power chords is exactly what I'm hearing a lot of here. Sorry, but this music isn't what I call advanced, even from a purely theoretical perspective. That Burzum song, I turned off halfway through because I was too bored with that power-chord riff, which was pretty darn simple. And, this Immolation one (which I've just turned off, having gotten most of the way through - because I got really bored with it - plus, this really isn't the sort of music I like to listen to). It sounds like it's trying to be complicated, but it doesn't sound like it's doing anything advanced in any kind of a musical way, to me. In fact it's very repetitive. And, uh, do either of these songs have a melody? I'm hearing a lot of noise, but none of this is speaking to me as music. What do you call this style? Metal?

I don't get your perspective when you say this stuff is advanced. From where I'm standing, The Beatles work on say, "Abbey Road" is *way* more advanced than this appears to be.

Yes, The categorie with beatles are bands who provide good entertainment but lack in depth. The second categorie is bands/composers that provide more emotional depth but have less entertainment value.

There you go with "my perceptions are fact" again. Is it not possible that The Beatles' music does have emotional depth, but it's just not on your wavelength?

Its an easy observation to make

It's a subjective one!! How many times do you want me to say it?

but to claim that any of them provide musical depth it rediculous.

Maybe if you're a music snob. It's not at all ridiculous to say that The Beatles provide musical depth.

The same way I know that milk is sour, except that in this case I listen instead of taste.

Uh, what has that got to do with it? Milk being sour is a physical thing. Your taste buds register it as sour - that's what they're programmed to do. Not at all the same thing as musical taste.

No, you are being entertained and there is nothing wrong with that. I myself can enjoy a movie for mere entertainment for example, but in the end I know that I'm better off with the stuff that is a true work of art. Maybe you people haven't realised it yet but atleast I'm trying.
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How arrogant can you get? The Beatles' music is as much a work of art as any music you name.
 
#264
Originally posted by mcbassdude
You sooo miss the point Coypu
You know Miles Davis could play fast like a mo fo, he could play anything but just listen to "Kind of Blue" nice slow deliberate melodies... Miles emphasized the space. He grew to realize it's not what you say it's how you say it.
The melody does not need to be 32nd notes at 200bpm to be brilliant.
John and Paul were brilliant songwriters and musicians, not just my opinion but that of hundreds, thousands of music historians and scholars.
Innovative? Sgt. Pepper turned the music scene on it's ear. Truly an innovation, it changed the way music was being written and produced. It consistently makes every respectable list of the best records of all time.
Music is not just about technical ability. It's far more than that. I'd be willing to bet that more folks on this sight would rather hear BB King or Santana than Al Dimeola. Al can play circles around BB as far as speed goes but he can't get the SOUL BB put's into a whole note to save his life.
Music is like making love. You don't shoot for speed, you shoot for passion, feel, emotion. I hope when your with a lady it ain't all about speed. Play like your making love man.
If it's just about theory and technique, be an engineer or a draftsman.
You display a lack of musical maturity with your comments. Maybe you should take a little more time and try to see the bigger picture the folks here are trying to help you see.
Speed's great if your a track star. But as a musician it's only one small tool in the toolbox.
I don't doubt for a second that if Paul had been into Speed Metal or Bop he would have done that just as brilliantly as he did his brand of music. He's just talented period.
Music should be insprational, Paul has inspired more peeps to pick up a bass guitar than any of the cats you've mentioned (save Beethoven), and I'm sure they're all good. How can you possibly argue with that?
Take the time to understand and get it! Doesn't it disturb you that ALL these others see and hear what you can't? Are you just so much more evolved or are you missing a link? hmmm....
Next you'll be attacking Muddy Waters bass playing cause he aint got speed...
Peace
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Great post, mcbassdude.
 
#265
You sooo miss the point Coypu
You know Miles Davis could play fast like a mo fo, he could play anything but just listen to "Kind of Blue" nice slow deliberate melodies... Miles emphasized the space. He grew to realize it's not what you say it's how you say it.

Well he was a true artist and when he was on top he did some pretty good stuff. Advanced music created by a strong individual going his own path and creating music true to himself. So why are you mentioning him along with beatles? Miles Davis have all the qualities that beatles never possessed.

The melody does not need to be 32nd notes at 200bpm to be brilliant. John and Paul were brilliant songwriters and musicians, not just my opinion but that of hundreds, thousands of music historians and scholars.

Heil Hitler?

The number of people who enjoy something often reflect that it is bland music. Britney spears, hollywood movies or whatever. Try to dig outside the common stuff and maybe you'll find something truly amazing.

Innovative? Sgt. Pepper turned the music scene on it's ear. Truly an innovation, it changed the way music was being written and produced. It consistently makes every respectable list of the best records of all time.

You can say the exact same thing about back street boys.

Music is not just about technical ability. It's far more than that. I'd be willing to bet that more folks on this sight would rather hear BB King or Santana than Al Dimeola. Al can play circles around BB as far as speed goes but he can't get the SOUL BB put's into a whole note to save his life.

So you are judging me for not liking beatles but then say that Al Dimoela plays without soul? Well done there boy.

Music is like making love. You don't shoot for speed, you shoot for passion, feel, emotion. I hope when your with a lady it ain't all about speed. Play like your making love man.
If it's just about theory and technique, be an engineer or a draftsman.

Hmm, speed and thoery is bad huh? Well then you just pretty much said that most classical music and jazz is crap. Well done!

You display a lack of musical maturity with your comments. Maybe you should take a little more time and try to see the bigger picture the folks here are trying to help you see.
Speed's great if your a track star. But as a musician it's only one small tool in the toolbox.
I don't doubt for a second that if Paul had been into Speed Metal or Bop he would have done that just as brilliantly as he did his brand of music. He's just talented period.
Music should be insprational, Paul has inspired more peeps to pick up a bass guitar than any of the cats you've mentioned (save Beethoven), and I'm sure they're all good. How can you possibly argue with that?

Inspired people to create what? None of the bands I like have listed beatles as an influence so while they may have inspired people to create rock and pop they doesn't seem to have inspired alot of serious music.

Take the time to understand and get it! Doesn't it disturb you that ALL these others see and hear what you can't? Are you just so much more evolved or are you missing a link? hmmm....
Next you'll be attacking Muddy Waters bass playing cause he aint got speed...
Peace

I'd rather have the same opinion as a few who know what they are talking about rather than thousands who don't.
 
#267
Originally posted by Coypu
You can say the exact same thing about back street boys.

ROFLMFAO!

Sorry, that is one of the funniest pieces of bull**** I've ever seen someone post on TB.

Hmm, speed and thoery is bad huh? Well then you just pretty much said that most classical music and jazz is crap. Well done!

No! You've got it all twisted. We're saying speed and knowing lots of theory don't *make* you good. Being good makes you good, whether you play fast or slow, whether you know theory or not.

No-one said that Jazz & Classical are crap. But, perhaps the fact that you assumed that really tells us what represents musical artistry to you: technicalities.

Inspired people to create what? None of the bands I like have listed beatles as an influence so while they may have inspired people to create rock and pop they doesn't seem to have inspired alot of serious music.
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You've gotta be joking. They've inspired plenty. They've inspired many many great musicians, including Jazz greats, including Jaco.

By saying The Beatles haven't inspired serious music, you basically completely dismiss popular music.

The Beatles are one of those bands that you may not even bother to list as one of your influences: it's kinda taken as read, in a way.
 
#272
Wow, all this because of a troll's post?

Talking about McCartney is beating a dead horse. The man has his place in history, whether you like it or not.

Speaking of dead, what's with all this thread necrophilia lately?!? :confused:
 
#274
ROFLMFAO!

Sorry, that is one of the funniest pieces of bull**** I've ever seen someone post on TB.

Its even funnier since its true.

No! You've got it all twisted. We're saying speed and knowing lots of theory don't *make* you good. Being good makes you good, whether you play fast or slow, whether you know theory or not.

No-one said that Jazz & Classical are crap. But, perhaps the fact that you assumed that really tells us what represents musical artistry to you: technicalities.

If you are really serious about music you do your best to aquire the tools you need. To say that speed and theory is useless is idiotic. So since we seem to agree on that then you should ask yourself why Paul haven't worked on that bit. He surely have enough money to be able to work on his "art" fulltime. So why?

You've gotta be joking. They've inspired plenty. They've inspired many many great musicians, including Jazz greats, including Jaco.

By saying The Beatles haven't inspired serious music, you basically completely dismiss popular music.

Exactly. With the execption of Carcass most popular is weak and will always be weak.

The Beatles are one of those bands that you may not even bother to list as one of your influences: it's kinda taken as read, in a way.

Well they used to say the same thing about Anal **** (yes there is a band by that name...) but if its true or not we will never know. The same goes with beatles.
 
#276
Originally posted by chris griffiths Which gary Willis solo did you wanna hear? I just gotta get out my chart :)


by the way Corin my band is having a cd release party at Harper's Ferry june 4th feel free to swing by. I'm 21 so please don't hold that against me :). But please swing by and check us out.
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Record the solo in Self Defense, I would love the hear that...

I live in sweden so I'll probably pass on that for now. But I'll gladly check out any mp3's anytime.
 
#277
Originally posted by 20db pad
Fill me in here. What is it called when somebody is losing an internet argument and starts mentioning Nazis and Hitler?
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Since you didn't understand it I shall explain it to you.

He used the argument that if many people like it then it must be good. So I just threw a slight hint at him that it might not always be like that by using a reference to Adolf Hitler and the nazis.
 
#278
thats ok I only play 16th note triplets on a couple songs so it probably would be kinda boring for you. Self Defense is a good one I also like the tunes he did on the new Dennis Chambers albums. Of course Gary Sounds best when he's doing that real light funk and using lotsa space. Anything else? Maybe "mean streets" by van halen I can play that on my bass pretty good :)
 
#279
Originally posted by Coypu
Its even funnier since its true.

To suggest that the Backstreet Boys have had as great an impact on popular music as The Beatles have... I'm just lost for words!

If you are really serious about music you do your best to aquire the tools you need. To say that speed and theory is useless is idiotic.

And none of us are saying that! Geez, will you read what I say, Coypu? No-one said it was useless, in fact I distinctly recall saying theory is useful.

McCartney had the tools he needed to come up with those great bass parts. Period.

Exactly. With the execption of Carcass most popular is weak and will always be weak.

There you go again. Snobbery, and stating opinions as facts. Maybe it's just that you don't get most popular music?

Well they used to say the same thing about Anal **** (yes there is a band by that name...) but if its true or not we will never know. The same goes with beatles.
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What? I've never heard anything by Anal **** - and no, just because it's a band name, you CAN'T say it on TB.
 
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