Well, I appreciate the effort but none of this stuff is neither technically advanced or particulary hard to play. Sure he played it well but it doesn't show any proof of any higher skill level. Even Cannibal Corpse can play some pretty technical stuff but Paul can't. Link Removed Find me a beatles song that is more trickier and I'll drop the subject. (and I'm being nice since CC isn't even particulary technical).
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Paul McCartney
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Well, I appreciate the effort but none of this stuff is neither technically advanced or particulary hard to play. Sure he played it well but it doesn't show any proof of any higher skill level. Even Cannibal Corpse can play some pretty technical stuff but Paul can't. Link Removed Find me a beatles song that is more trickier and I'll drop the subject. (and I'm being nice since CC isn't even particulary technical).
yes Glenn Goulds music aims just to do that and yes the Beatles aims to entertain. Well the difference is that Glenn Goulds music reaches you on a much deeper level, you can compare it with watching Die Hard 3 compared with Evangelion. Evangelion touches more deep emotions and leaves a lasting impression on you that goes much deeper than just joy for a few seconds.
Maybe you should listen to glenn gould first and maybe you'll understand too. ?
Coypu - have you got those albums? I presume not, seeing as you dislike The Beatles so much.
When I talk about the bridge to Taxman, and the Something bass line, do you know exactly what I'm referring to? Do you have the albums there, so you can listen to the songs I mentioned?
Aside from his tone, how about the fact that he composed the bass lines.
This isn't about "hard to play". I could play those Sgt Pepper bass lines years ago. I could play "Something" years ago. But not like McCartney played it.
Just like lots of bass players can play Donna Lee, and Teen Town. But, can they play it like Jaco played it? Hmm...
When I talk about the bridge to Taxman, and the Something bass line, do you know exactly what I'm referring to? Do you have the albums there, so you can listen to the songs I mentioned?
Aside from his tone, how about the fact that he composed the bass lines.
This isn't about "hard to play". I could play those Sgt Pepper bass lines years ago. I could play "Something" years ago. But not like McCartney played it.
Just like lots of bass players can play Donna Lee, and Teen Town. But, can they play it like Jaco played it? Hmm...
Ask him to play the 178 thing and you will understand what is wrong with his tecnique. Sure you can claim that he is better of not being able to play advanced stuff but I can assure you that he would be creating better basslines if he had more skill.
LOL. That typifies your argument. You seem to think that Glenn Gould will touch me in a way that The Beatles won't. Realise this, it's a personal thing!
I don't need to listen to Glenn Gould to get your point, I know what it's like to be touched by music. And, The Beatles have done that. As have many other artists.
You make the mistake of thinking that because you only hear the Beatles as "entertainment", and lacking in depth, that the depth isn't there. You seem to think that we who love The Beatles are content to listen to mere "entertainment" music, with no depth. Wow, how shallow we are!
I'm saying no, you're wrong. We just perceive that depth, where you don't. We can be touched by The Beatles in exactly the same way you are touched by Glenn Gould.
I grew up on beatles, both my father and my first bass teacher where huge beatles fans. I know their music pretty well. I even downloaded and listened to Taxman before I posted so I know what I'm talking about (I have a high speed internet connection if you where wondering).
The reason people can't play Donny Lee like jaco did is because they lack the incredible skill it takes to play it cleanly and smooth. The reason people can't sound like Paul is because they don't have his gear or studio equipment, if they had they could sound just like him.
You haven't listened to that part I mentioned, have you?
Sure, the tempo isn't fast. But, do like I say - and listen to the bridge of Taxman.
But, the tempo of "Teen Town" isn't that fast either. But, can you really say Jaco's playing on it isn't fast?
They've tried, and failed. There are plenty of people with Ricks that don't sound like McCartney. It ain't gear, it's him.
Don't knock it until you try it. I used to think that death and black metal was all I needed to evoke my emotions. I was wrong, they filled one part but there was more. Beatles might fill a small slot for enjoyment but there is more to music than that.
I provided 2 examples. The first one is rather simple and nice, the second one is somewhat harder. I hope you give them a chance :
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Copyu,
With no disrespect intended (well, you have to say that, don't you?), I seriously think you have some very messed-up concepts about music and about what bass should be doing. Seriously, if you think that bass or music should be based on speed or technique, then you have no insight at all into what actually touches listeners. 99.9% of the best bass parts over the last 50 years have been baesd on neitehr speed nor technique and that .1 only appeals to other bass players. You exhibit the musical priorities of a 13 year old boy, and a not very clever one at that. Did I mention no disrespect intended?
With no disrespect intended (well, you have to say that, don't you?), I seriously think you have some very messed-up concepts about music and about what bass should be doing. Seriously, if you think that bass or music should be based on speed or technique, then you have no insight at all into what actually touches listeners. 99.9% of the best bass parts over the last 50 years have been baesd on neitehr speed nor technique and that .1 only appeals to other bass players. You exhibit the musical priorities of a 13 year old boy, and a not very clever one at that. Did I mention no disrespect intended?
So what's your point?
There's more to music than Glenn Gould too. You seem to like to talk about him a lot though. And why can't you accept that The Beatles can fill more than "small slot of enjoyment"? Face it - different people are turned on my different music.
I never said "Beatles are all I need to evoke emotion" - all I said is that their music is capable of being touching.
Yes I have. But I'm used to some pretty fast stuff so I need some serious speed to be convinced. That stuff is slow compared to some stuff.
I don't care much about tempo alone, I care about the number of notes per second that comes out. A 16th note solo at 120bpm is faster than an 8th notes solo at 200bpm. Jaco is pretty fast on Teen town yes. Its moslty jazzers who are obsessed with tempos ("look I play quarter notes at 300bpm" etc...). I myself rather play quarters at 330bpm than 16ths at 120bpm.
And the speed if Taxman isn't fast. Link Removed , as one example.
Coypu... does Glenn Gould actually compose?
Because, this is Beethoven.
And, on listening to this once, his performance isn't really turning me on (but then, I've only listened once). And the whole singing thing isn't great.
Because, this is Beethoven.
And, on listening to this once, his performance isn't really turning me on (but then, I've only listened once). And the whole singing thing isn't great.
Well, lets look at classical music. Did they know how to play fast? Did they play fast? The answer to both questions is yes and Bach have been around longer than beetles.
While 99.9% of the music you seem to listen to has slow basslines about 85% of the music I listen have fast ones. But maybe if you actually listened to some advanced music you might enjoy it too but you won't know until you try so why not start now? Here is some recomendations :
Cynic
Spiral Architect
Spastic Ink
Aghora
Atheist
let me know if you need more.
yes he did compose, I can upload a song after you heard the second one I posted. The Beethoven song I uploaded was a simple one, Gould can shred like a maniac but since you doesn't seem to appreciate difficult stuff I thought I should upload a slower song. I can upload some serious stuff if you want?
His singing is part of his personality, I guess most people are turned off by his persona but I think that he was as true musician as you can get. Invalid Link Removed
Seems to me the point of music is to move people. I play music to move someone, make 'em tap their foot and bob their head. Make them cry, feel my pain. Make them feel my joy and happiness. My Angst.
John, Paul, George and Ringo moved a whole lotta people. We felt their pain, joy, angst. Their music helped define a generation. But a select few can make that claim. They made us think about the world. To debate their merit seems ridiculous.
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John, Paul, George and Ringo moved a whole lotta people. We felt their pain, joy, angst. Their music helped define a generation. But a select few can make that claim. They made us think about the world. To debate their merit seems ridiculous.
Peace
Oh, I see. Fast=Advanced. Hmmm, sounds like a whole lot of wankin' to me.
And by the way, that 178thing mp3 sure makes a good scale excersize. I'm still not sure what makes it advanced, though.
But I don't wanna listen to that! It sounded pretty horrible to me. What is the point of playing fast, when it doesn't do anything for you? Playing fast is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end. Playing fast for the sake of it is pointless.
And, I think, by any reasonable standards of what constitutes fast playing, the bridge to taxman is quite fast playing.
If you're placing silly requirements on bass players, and saying that they need to be able to play as fast as that example you gave (what the heck is that?) in order to be good, then... well, you're missing out!
Again, like I said before - what is your thing about how many notes you can play in a bar?
And, do you really think the Beatles songs would have benefited from that crazy fast playing? I think perhaps not. Like we've all said here - McCartney's playing was perfect for the songs. So what if he can't play as fast as that? Obviously, he didn't need to play as fast as that. Being able to play fast is attendant to the greater function of getting the music out from within you. McCartney could play as fast as he needed to for those bass lines he composed.
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