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Paul McCartney
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I'm wondering why you would post such a thing and not keep it to yourself, and then I looked at your profile and realized that most of the guys you cite as influences are million-notes-a-minute types who play what is, IMO, rather cheesy music.
There's no accounting for (bad) taste, I guess.
Hey guys -- I had to put my two cents in re: McCartney and Ringo. I'll be careful for those who don't like the two or The Beatles -- a concept hard for me to fathom! McCartney is one of the most melodic, tasteful POP bass players ever. Remember, the early 60's were CRAP for the electric bass guitar and McCartney is truly a pioneer of pop-rock bass! As for all the "running down Ringo" comments I've heard from young metal drummers I've played with in recent years. Here's what I do -- I audition a drummer with "ticket to ride" and "I Feel Fine" -- these two tunes are probably Ringo at his finest hour! Several young drummers have failed terribly on both of these songs -- "seems Ringo ain't all that simple huh boys, I say to them?" hahahahaha. No but really, I live in central Florida and there are hardly no talented drummers to speak of - no ****! If I could just find one with the timing of Ringo -- my prayers would be answered. As for McCartney being a "James Jamerson?" I think Paul did the best that could be done with the Beatle songs -- not too much, not too less -- I don't think Jamerson would improve on them. Remember The Beatles played for the great songs they wrote, they weren't vieing for top bassist, guitarist, etc.! Also these are pop-rock songs with vocals. It's not jazz. On closing I will say that the world is in desperate need of a pioneering band like the Beatles once again! How many more bands must there be with TONS of distortion, no keys and singers singing out of the side of their mouth with a negative sounding melody? Maybe 2010 will be different?
Guess I have eggman on my face. I'll have to read my liner notes more carefully.Originally posted by Bassin'
Also, John Lennon played bass on Helter Skelter.
Peace
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the beatles ,hmm, it's not about a time because they're timeless."in my life" is prob the best song composed in the 1900's. and that isn't just my view? mccartney had a flare for bass guitar(and alot of the time he played like it a guitar)but he's certainly no jaco or victor.and on the other hand i'm not sure that either of those guys would have been right for the beatles. that band was truely one of a kind.
the beatles ,hmm, it's not about a time because they're timeless."in my life" is prob the best song composed in the 1900's. and that isn't just my view? mccartney had a flare for bass guitar(and alot of the time he played like it a guitar)but he's certainly no jaco or victor.and on the other hand i'm not sure that either of those guys would have been right for the beatles. that band was truely one of a kind.
I don't know I don't really like ringo very much. I think between ringo and the vocals of the band members those would be the biggest contributing factors in why I think beatles songs are always done better when done by someone else. As far as Paul goes I think Beatles is such an american institution (which is funny because they're from across the pond) that it's just hard to fathom any line but paul or anyone but paul in the bass and vocal position.
I mean the US was so rampant with beatle mania that we just look on that as great music because it saturated this culture of ours. Frankly I'm glad I was born out of that era because it gave me a much broader perspective of music and you could kind of escape the frenzy over one group and I can pick and choose what I like and be eclectic.
I mean I'd rather hear a motown tune that a beatles tune any day of the week and I don't know if I would have had enough exposure being a teen in that culture era to make judgements like that. Beatles wrote great tunes but "I'll be there (reach out)" and "I was made to love her" just top all pop music. Or "whats goin on" or "what becomes of the broken hearted" the beatles didn't even start getting real to me until sgt pepper or maybe the white album.
I mean the US was so rampant with beatle mania that we just look on that as great music because it saturated this culture of ours. Frankly I'm glad I was born out of that era because it gave me a much broader perspective of music and you could kind of escape the frenzy over one group and I can pick and choose what I like and be eclectic.
I mean I'd rather hear a motown tune that a beatles tune any day of the week and I don't know if I would have had enough exposure being a teen in that culture era to make judgements like that. Beatles wrote great tunes but "I'll be there (reach out)" and "I was made to love her" just top all pop music. Or "whats goin on" or "what becomes of the broken hearted" the beatles didn't even start getting real to me until sgt pepper or maybe the white album.
Originally posted by Peter McFerrin
I'm wondering why you would post such a thing and not keep it to yourself, and then I looked at your profile and realized that most of the guys you cite as influences are million-notes-a-minute types who play what is, IMO, rather cheesy music.
There's no accounting for (bad) taste, I guess.
I think that it is good to get 2 sides of the story, everyone seems to praise beetles for some uknown reason. They aren't exactly that good, not even for a pop band. I'd take Aeon Spoke over them anyday since eventhough its pop they still have 10 times more skill and talent. Its just my view so deal with it (and remember that every word I speak is true).
Wow --this is the longest thread I've read so far -- I'm a new member. So I'll run my mouth a bit here. I like so many, put flatwounds (expensive Pyramid) on my Rogue knock-off Hofner Bass. It was horrible! Played one gig and took them off immediately -- had to turn my preamp's treble all the way up plus treble boost on the PA board -- it was quite a rude awakening for me! Get this, funny - years later I sold these overpriced Pyramid's on E-bay to a Beatle freak -- it was not a rip-off, don't get me wrong, the strings were mint -- hopefully he was a jazz guy and enjoyed them? I think the Paul bass tone of the recorded Beatles songs was magical because of Martin's skills in the studio -- I hate flatwounds! SILLY LOVE SONGS: I love this song and it's bassline - it always confused me why so many hardcore beatle fans dissed it -- I think the chorus "I Love You" has ton and tons of feeling! Am I silly too? I love teenage angst metal too! Silly Love Songs was just right for a 10 yr. old boy +/- (ME) who was falling in love or just had some crush on some girl - hahahaha. I've VERY MUCH ENJOYED this thread -- as a variety cruise ship band vox/bass dude, it's gave me some ideas on what my next beatle tune will be -- probably "Something" cuz it showcases the bass, appeals to everyone including the ancient 70 and 80 yr. old clientele on RCCL ships and it's very pretty and mellow (but can ya dance too it - hahaha) Yeah that's the ticket for a cover band whore like me -- I've analyzed it plus it's a beautiful song anyway - can't change that! Although "IN MY LIFE" hmmmmm - love that one too!STONES: (yep, I'm still rambling!) I dig the stones too! And I've heard many who place the stones above the beatles (I won't go there) -- I'll end with saying the Stones "WERE TIGHT IN A SLOPPY KIND OF WAY!" -- they were brilliant and almost impossible to duplicate -- ever tried playing START ME UP note-for-note -- it's different in every verse and chorus! That band amazes me how they are TIGHT YET SLOPPY and it's magical! The Beatles are pristine polish and the stones are, well, THE STONES! Both great and both different! The Bass/Drums in a Stones song seem to break the rules on timing and get away with it -- yes, the drums stay simple while Wyman does simple yet strange licks that seem to work? To turn the coin on this. Remember there are so many great bands that have fantastic, talented drummers who play with simple bassplayers i.e. U2, Motley Crue, ZZ Top. AIN'T BAND BIZ A BITCH! ????????????????? MO LATER - toddjazzbass.
Originally posted by Bassin'
Also, John Lennon played bass on Helter Skelter.
"Revolution In The Head" by Ian MacDonald credits both John & Paul with bass on Helter Skelter
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Geez, Coypu - although, I wouldn't put it so bluntly, I agree with what Pete said.
I don't know much about you (your profile doesn't say too much, and I'd really be interested to know your age) - but the impression I get is that you're really interested in technical flashiness, more so than musicality.
EDIT: My 4k post! And look what I wasted it on!
Originally posted by moley
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Geez, Coypu - although, I wouldn't put it so bluntly, I agree with what Pete said.
I don't know much about you (your profile doesn't say too much, and I'd really be interested to know your age) - but the impression I get is that you're really interested in technical flashiness, more so than musicality.
EDIT: My 4k post! And look what I wasted it on!
I don't see why people are so angry? The thread starter asked for out opinions and I gave mine which was included some facts about his playing abilites.
Well I'm 21, and I truly hate flashiness and showing off and such things. I like music that is made by serious people who create art for the sake of art. 2 good examples are Burzum and Glenn Gould, Burzum are very untechnical and very simple music, Glenn Gould is in my view the ultimate musican with incredible chops. Both are great because they created what was in their hearts without concern for what other people thought. There is not 1 band that are among my favorites that aren't highly musical. Beatles are inferior in all possible ways except when it comes to economics.
Originally posted by Coypu
I don't see why people are so angry? The thread starter asked for out opinions and I gave mine which was included some facts about his playing abilites.
Well you didn't. You expressed opinions, and dressed them up as facts, which can get people a little jumpy.
Well I'm 21, and I truly hate flashiness and showing off and such things. I like music that is made by serious people who create art for the sake of art. 2 good examples are Burzum and Glenn Gould
...it had to come sooner or later...
Burzum are very untechnical and very simple music, Glenn Gould is in my view the ultimate musican with incredible chops. Both are great because they created what was in their hearts without concern for what other people thought. There is not 1 band that are among my favorites that aren't highly musical.
The Beatles were highly musical!
Beatles are inferior in all possible ways except when it comes to economics.
There you go again! Opinions dressed up as facts!
EDIT: I only just noticed your sig, Coypu. I wonder where you got those opinions on The Beatles from... Interestingly enough, Gould's ramblings about "harmonic primitivism" and bull**** spoutings about studio production, slightly echo what appears to me to be your outlook.
Well you didn't. You expressed opinions, and dressed them up as facts, which can get people a little jumpy.
So Paul is a skilled and overall good bassplayer? Its not opinion that he is a poor player, its a fact. You can still like him but he never was and never will be a good bassplayer.
The Beales were highly musical!
Well, so are backstreet boys so it really doesn't say much. There is no depth in Beatles music, no emotion rather than the happy joy of the moment stuff. But I guess that it is what some people seek in music. I do not.
There you go again! Opinions dressed up as facts!
You want me to show to proof that my favorite bands are all superior to the beatles in terms of skill, theory and such? (Economics excluded...)
I can do that easily if you like.
EDIT: I only just noticed your sig, Coypu. I wonder where you got those opinions on The Beatles from...
I disliked Beatles before I knew who Glenn Gould was. I was however happy to see that he shared alot of my views on music.
So Paul is a skilled and overall good bassplayer? Its not opinion that he is a poor player, its a fact. You can still like him but he never was and never will be a good bassplayer.
The Beales were highly musical!
Well, so are backstreet boys so it really doesn't say much. There is no depth in Beatles music, no emotion rather than the happy joy of the moment stuff. But I guess that it is what some people seek in music. I do not.
There you go again! Opinions dressed up as facts!
You want me to show to proof that my favorite bands are all superior to the beatles in terms of skill, theory and such? (Economics excluded...)
I can do that easily if you like.
EDIT: I only just noticed your sig, Coypu. I wonder where you got those opinions on The Beatles from...
I disliked Beatles before I knew who Glenn Gould was. I was however happy to see that he shared alot of my views on music.
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