Pay pal incident( scam )

[MultiScaleMale]

Worst case scenario is that there is an issue with the neck, he tries to file a warranty claim and they tell him that he's not the original purchaser so the warranty doesn't apply. He sends it back to you for a refund, you open a warranty claim and they tell you "no" because the instrument was sold and you are effectively no longer the original buyer.

 

[2milehighspike]

I would never sell a bass online. Pedals sure but never a bass. It might take longer to sell locally but worth it. Also if someone claims to "go to church" it just makes me more skeptical.

. I’ve bought and sold many basses on TB thru the years and never had a problem. Where I’ve had problems was with pedals and anything else electrical. I recently bought an Ampeg SVP Pro from a TBr that was faulty and unusable from the moment I recieved it. He had a 100% rating and said it worked perfect when he sent it. I have no reason to not believe him but who knows.As it stands now it has to go in for repair for who knows how much, and since I paid at the higher end of the going price it is a losing proposition. The way I see it is buyer beware and anything purchased used online with no warranty expressed or implied is a crap shoot and for me I’m done buying anything used sight unseen.As for the overtly religious thing, that is a huge red flag as far as I’m concerned

 

[Basslice]

Worst case scenario is that there is an issue with the neck, he tries to file a warranty claim and they tell him that he's not the original purchaser so the warranty doesn't apply. He sends it back to you for a refund, you open a warranty claim and they tell you "no" because the instrument was sold and you are effectively no longer the original buyer.

IDK. If the sale was never complete and the item returned, then there was no sale.

 

[FunkHead]

IDK. If the sale was never complete and the item returned, then there was no sale.

This is how I feel about it. Taking the bass back and sending it to Ernie Ball should be acceptable IMO. If there's a problem with the neck they should make good.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

IDK. If the sale was never complete and the item returned, then there was no sale.

The sale certainly completed, the seller received money. If the new owner tries to file a warranty claim with EBMM and they deny it as not the "initial retail purchaser", that claim along with serial number is in their records. I don't think they're going to honor that claim.

 

[Basslice]

I disagree. There is no sale. Item returned. The item was not repurchased by the original owner.

Two ways to look at it, a series of two sale, or no sale. I'd take the odds on that with Judge Judy any day.

At the end of the day it is no different than loaning someone your bass.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

I disagree. There is no sale. Item returned. The item was not repurchased by the original owner.

Two ways to look at it, a series of two sale, or no sale. I'd take the odds on that with Judge Judy any day.

At the end of the day it is no different than loaning someone your bass.

Cool. It would be up to EBMM's sole discretion.

 

[jbhaugh]

I disagree. There is no sale. Item returned. The item was not repurchased by the original owner.

Two ways to look at it, a series of two sale, or no sale. I'd take the odds on that with Judge Judy any day.

At the end of the day it is no different than loaning someone your bass.

Whether there was a final sale or not, if the buyer makes a warranty claim that is denied due to him not being the "original retail purchaser" BEFORE the seller regains possession and makes his own claim, EBMM will likely deny the seller's claim even though he is in possession and was the "original retail purchaser". The intermediate claim from the buyer will void the warranty.

 

[JaredF]

I disagree. There is no sale. Item returned. The item was not repurchased by the original owner.

Two ways to look at it, a series of two sale, or no sale. I'd take the odds on that with Judge Judy any day.

At the end of the day it is no different than loaning someone your bass.

Have no clue what your talking about? 2 sales? I'm lost....

 

[castlev]

If the op sold the bass, then the buyer sold the bass, then one day the op saw it for sale and bought it back, I could see it being a problem for warranty. However if the op received the guitar back from the original sale and refunded the money, there was no sale. EBMM would be hard pressed to deny the claim. OP says to EBMM "that was a fake warranty claim I never sold my bass he must have stolen the serial number from when I showed it off online hoping to get his used bass repaired." Of course that's dishonest, but it's just to illustrate how they would have a hard time disputing a warranty claim from the OP with his name on the bill of sale.

Here is the warranty, it makes no mention of of anybody else handling the bass. Only if it's been misused or altered. Hopefully the OP registered the bass with EBMM otherwise he might not get warranty service. Warranty | Ernie Ball Music Man

 

[SLPimp]

Thats fine and all, unless he did something to the bass and does not want to take the hit, and is putting it on me. Thats the problem.

30 days is too long for a private sale. I've had similar situations that ended in the scammer canceling the payment with his credit card company instead, which PayPal covered because of seller protection. I also always insure everything I ship here for the full amount so I can always fall back on that.

But this guy is a snake. Plaster his username everywhere.

 

[JohnnyBottom]

Not right, a month later. After he approved the payment. So 2 possible situations....
1. either the neck is still perfect and just buyers remorse.
2. he screwed with the truss rod in a bad way and now the neck is not right.

We watch out for each other here.. I would appreciate knowing who this is as I, or I believe anyone else here would not want to do business with him
Thank you,

 

[MultiScaleMale]

If the op sold the bass, then the buyer sold the bass, then one day the op saw it for sale and bought it back, I could see it being a problem for warranty. However if the op received the guitar back from the original sale and refunded the money, there was no sale. EBMM would be hard pressed to deny the claim. OP says to EBMM "that was a fake warranty claim I never sold my bass he must have stolen the serial number from when I showed it off online hoping to get his used bass repaired." Of course that's dishonest, but it's just to illustrate how they would have a hard time disputing a warranty claim from the OP with his name on the bill of sale.

Here is the warranty, it makes no mention of of anybody else handling the bass. Only if it's been misused or altered. Hopefully the OP registered the bass with EBMM otherwise he might not get warranty service. Warranty | Ernie Ball Music Man

"Initial retail purchaser", bass was sold and claim filed, denied, returned and he is no longer the initial retail purchaser. EBMM might be nice, but it's up to them.

 

[castlev]

"Initial retail purchaser", bass was sold and claim filed, denied, returned and he is no longer the initial retail purchaser. EBMM might be nice, but it's up to them.

He is the initial retail purchaser, even if he's a third party at the same time (which I don't believe he is as the sale is voided).
For tax purposes, the OP would not be billed for a sale, as there was no sale. EBMM can't dispute that. He may have had his cut of taxes taken by PayPal, but PayPal would not report that to the irs as the money was returned.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

He is the initial retail purchaser, even if he's a third party at the same time (which I don't believe he is as the sale is voided).

Ok.

 

[Relsom]

He responded to me and asked for the bill of sale. I gave it to him..also when he responded I called him up personally, and told him there was nothing wrong with that bass when I sold it. He then said to me "I believe you , Ill bring it to a tech to straighten it out". I then said" just adjust the thruss rod". He said "I like my action high so ill have someone do it for me". Maybe he did something to the thrus rod. If he likes the action high there should be no fret buzz like he's claiming..IDK just don't make sense any of it..

A BOS from you to the buyer is appropriate.... I do it all the time. But to fork over the BOS from where you initially bought the bass is something that shouldn't happen, and is none of your buyer's business. Simple as that. Now you need to get your bass AND your original BOS back from this guy. Hopefully you still have the original BOS and only sent him a scan of it. Lord knows you've opened yourself up to having a warranty claim denied by EBMM if this guy OR his tech contacted them about the situation. FUBAR!

 

[LBS-bass]

"Initial retail purchaser", bass was sold and claim filed, denied, returned and he is no longer the initial retail purchaser. EBMM might be nice, but it's up to them.

They're not gonna. Why would they spend money they have every right to not spend? If the instrument was bought and paid for by someone other than the OP, then EBMM has every right to presume it changed ownership. If the OP pays the money back to reclaim the instrument, in their eyes he's essentially buying back a used instrument.

This stuff used to happen to us all the time at the music store where I worked. Someone would come in on a Friday afternoon and "buy" a nice instrument, then return it the following Monday. You'd look in the paper and find out that person had a gig on Friday and Saturday nights. Suddenly you have a used instrument in inventory that's now worth half it's original resale value. It's why restocking fees were invented.

I don't know why the buyer decided not to keep the bass. At least with a used instrument you're not experiencing devaluation to that level, but EBMM is not going to step up to honor any warranty claims if they are aware of the sale.

 

[mikecd1]

I'm having a hard time believing the purchaser to have taken this bass to an authorized dealer who has made any claim or has discovered some impossible defect. My fear is the purchaser may have taken to someone who may have done harm to the bass or choice #3 which is buyers remorse and a lot of blah-blah to get their money back. My vote is blah-blah for the last six weeks and they want their money back now.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

They're not gonna. Why would they spend money they have every right to not spend? If the instrument was bought and paid for by someone other than the OP, then EBMM has every right to presume it changed ownership. If the OP pays the money back to reclaim the instrument, in their eyes he's essentially buying back a used instrument.

This stuff used to happen to us all the time at the music store where I worked. Someone would come in on a Friday afternoon and "buy" a nice instrument, then return it the following Monday. You'd look in the paper and find out that person had a gig on Friday and Saturday nights. Suddenly you have a used instrument in inventory that's now worth half it's original resale value. It's why restocking fees were invented.

I don't know why the buyer decided not to keep the bass. At least with a used instrument you're not experiencing devaluation to that level, but EBMM is not going to step up to honor any warranty claims if they are aware of the sale.

I remember a band in college playing what was considered a big gig at the spring festival with their brand new Carvin guitars that they planned delivery time so that the ten day window allowed for a return after the festival.

 

[Relsom]

I'd have a hard time approaching a seller on here, or anywhere else for that matter after six weeks and try to undo a deal..... for any reason. If there's a problem, I'm going to know about it and get it straightened out within a day or two of receiving it. But that's just me.