Double Bass People who carry a firearm (DB Forum Thread)

[DiabolusInMusic]

In 2009, there was a total of 93 homocides by handgun in Canada, not bad for 30,000,000 people.

And by far the vast majority were used in gang related crime in the big cities. It's virtually impossible to even own one legally.

A lot of cops in Canada may never draw their sidearm during their entire career.

I'm 47 years old, never seen a handgun that's wasn't strapped to a cops side, and I've never even held one.

It's such a different world.

In most of America you are legally permitted to carry a firearm, as long as it is on display. You get a permit for CCW, carrying a concealed weapon, which allows you to walk around town armed and dangerous but hide the weapon. I found it really bizarre going into federal building where they had to point out you cannot bring firearms in, that is just one thing you do not need a sign for back home.

The reason you do not see many handguns in Canada is because we acknowledge handguns are for killing people, nothing else. You have to get your FAC to have rifles then you have to get a special permit, which involves heavy screening, just to have access to handguns. Once you get the handgun permit you are allowed to keep your gun at home and you can take it directly to the gun range at which you are a registered member. If you even stop for gas on the way you can be legally responsible for carelessly carrying around a dangerous weapon.

It isn't about guns or gun ownership, there is a totally different mentality in the States. I like to watch Cops. There is a Canadian equivalent called To Serve and Protect. Watch 10 episodes of both shows and you will see just how different the two countries are. In America, the cops are constantly trying to flex their muscles/authority to control the situation, this generally makes it much worse. In Canada, the cops are pretty cordial and there is a LOT more discussions than there are physical contact. For example, if you get stopped on Cops and they ask you to sit on the curb, you can either do it or be violently handcuffed. If you get stopped on To Serve and Protect and get asked to sit on the curb you can refuse, call the cops names, including swearing, and get away with it. As long as you don't try to run or do anything actually criminal, the police do not escalate the situation. I would guess about 2/5, if not more, takedowns on Cops would result in disciplinary, or possibly legal, action taken against the officer(s) if they occurred in Canada.

 

[Tom Lane]

I'm sorry for any confusion. I was thinking about one sinario that my friend was put in that made him "scare" a potential threat. He was coming home late at night and someone in a hood came up to him with a knife and yelling something. Being frightened he pulled his gun and adivesed the man to stop and go away (probably more yelling). The man was scared of the fact that he had a gun and left. What I ment by scare away is it's possible to stop someone from continuing a violent act without fireing. I think he made the right choice. A gun should be used to stop violence from continuing or in this case starting.

I believe that handgun experts warn against doing this kind of thing and teach that the only time to display a handgun is when you intend to kill someone. Do everything else first, then respond with lethal force.

 

[Sam Dingle]

oh really?! See that was something I didn't know. Logically I think that was a good idea because it didn't involve anyone getting harmed, but maybe it wasn't? I'm not sure. I'm happy to learn about this stuff though. And on talk bass of all the places

 

[neddyrow]

I'd be really curious as to what the responses would be if this post was made on the BG side.

 

[DerekW]

Now you're profiling.
Racist.


Kidding. Lol!
Didn't even realize I was in the DB side, wondered why I didn't recognize anyone!

Yeah, you guys are way more polite, over here. It's like Canada.

 

[Lee Moses]

I'd be really curious as to what the responses would be if this post was made on the BG side.

The thread would probably be hijacked by Canadians telling us how much gentler and more polite they are.

 

[DerekW]

Soorry aboot that, eh.

 

[Tom Lane]

If it were on the BG side, wouldn't it long ago have been... shot... to hell?

 

[handofseven]

If it were on the BG side, the discussion would devolve into which makes a better grip: Pearl or Tort?

 

[lowsideonacurve]

It isn't about guns or gun ownership, there is a totally different mentality in the States. I like to watch Cops.

I know an Officer that was on the show here in the US, it is mostly staged like all the other garbage on Reality TV. There are better sources of information out there.

 

[TroyK]

I'm sorry for any confusion. I was thinking about one sinario that my friend was put in that made him "scare" a potential threat. He was coming home late at night and someone in a hood came up to him with a knife and yelling something. Being frightened he pulled his gun and adivesed the man to stop and go away (probably more yelling). The man was scared of the fact that he had a gun and left. What I ment by scare away is it's possible to stop someone from continuing a violent act without fireing. I think he made the right choice. A gun should be used to stop violence from continuing or in this case starting.

Your friend was lucky and he wasn't harmed primarily because the knife wielder never intended to use the knife in the first place. Ever wonder why cops shoot citizens who are holding a knife?

Tueller_Drill

I'm glad your friend wasn't hurt and I'm glad he didn't end up killing the idiot mugger. Other things would have produced the same or similar result in that situation.

 

[Sam Dingle]

This is probably true. My first reaction is to say "better safe than sorry" but I'm not sure. The not being sure is why I don't look into firearms other than when watching The Walking Dead. Everyone should have a zombie bunker...right?

 

[TroyK]

... Everyone should have a zombie bunker...right?

No doubt.

 

[David Jayne]

The reason you shoot your gun rather than threaten with it is because if you do there's a strong possibility you'll be killed with your own gun. No I don't own one.

 

[vin*tone]

I'd be really curious as to what the responses would be if this post was made on the BG side.

I'd say it would have been closed by now. Gun threads are seen by US admins as political discussion.

 

[TroyK]

Why is there never a mod around when you need one?

 

[Sam Dingle]

The mods are asleep. Anarchy ensues!

 

[Tom Lane]

In that case, you're a shithead!

 

[Sam Dingle]

Well you're a smelly pants!

 

[Tom Lane]

Well you're a smelly pants!

True story. My family spent the day at the San Diego Wildlife Park several years ago; okay more than 10 years ago. My daughter was about 9 and looking for insults that she could hurl at me when I upset her view of the world, which was all too frequent at that age because she was judgemental and, IMV, overly simplistic. Because of the animals we viewed up close, she started referring to me as "Poopie-butt" with which I responded that she was a "Peepee-breath" based on the zebra males checking for the female's fertility by licking their dirt-soaked stream of pee. To this day, she affectionately calls me "Poop" when no one else dares. Children get all the breaks. I wouldn't have it any other way.