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Phase probs-Why is it SO??

I found, when I connected two 8 ohm cabs to my LMII & plugged 'em BOTH in from the "spkr outs" on the back of the LMII, I had PHASE probs. So I 'daisy-chained the two cabs & WOW- BIGGA BOOMA- sorry- Sounded GREAT!! No phase probs, just great sound, & HEAPS of it at 4 ohms.
SO..... why would this occur??

Now I always daisy chain the cabs & always have a great sound, it doesn't really BOTHER me, but was wondering WHY is it so?
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This could be also true if one cab is miss-wired at it's input jack.
I don't think so.

If the input jacks were wired wrong then it would still be out of phase when daisy chaining the cabs as the same two inputs are still being used. Nope, not the cabs fault.

I would be contacting Markbass to get that thing fixed. Is it still under warranty?
 
It's possible some of you guys might be jumping the gun. Just guessing, but the amp speaker outs might be polarity-assured because of PCB mounting. If so, one cab could be wrong at both jacks, and when they are daisy chained with it first the net effect will be that both cabs are the same polarity, but when both are plugged into the amp they will have opposite polarity.
 
It's possible some of you guys might be jumping the gun. Just guessing, but the amp speaker outs might be polarity-assured because of PCB mounting. If so, one cab could be wrong at both jacks, and when they are daisy chained with it first the net effect will be that both cabs are the same polarity, but when both are plugged into the amp they will have opposite polarity.

Yes that was my point. I would hope they are not main PCB mounted on the amp though, never been a fan of those kind of stresses on any PCB. One loose jack nut and trouble is sure to fallow.
 
Rod, I'd start by testing the polarity of each cab/speaker cable with a 9-volt battery.

First plug a 1/4" speaker cable into 1 cabs input, now get a 9-volt battery and position that same speaker cables other end where the battery's (+) connector is touching the plugs tip, and the batteries (-) terminal is contacting that same plugs sleeve (or side shaft) portion.

As you do this the speaker should move outward a bit (not in).

Now do the same test with your other cab and its speaker cable.

If 1 of your cab/cable tests resulted in a inward speaker movement, swap the 2 speaker cables your using to the other cabs and repeat the same tests on both again to absolutely confirm if its 1 of your cabs or 1 of your speaker cables that was simply wired backwards. (if the other cab suddenly now has the inward speaker movement, that speaker cable is wired backwards / if the same cab is still moving inwards, that cab was mistakenly wired backwards)

Now, repeat the whole same tests again, but this time plug into each speakers OTHER parallel jack to absolutely confirm these were also wired correctly. (each of the cabs dual parallel speaker jacks are supposed to be simply wired together to the same +/- polarity inside)

If all the speaker jacks and both cables test correctly, then it sounds like 1 of your amps parallel output jacks was somehow wired backwards.

ps:
Most all amps with the commonly used dual parallel speaker output jack system (like your LMII has) should also be simply wired together inside (+ to +), and (- to -) just exactly like the dual parallel jacks found on most all speakers.

Let us know what you find.
 
Hi Anders.... Thanks to ALL who replied here.

I've just (nearly) finished a VERY hectic week & 1/2 of LOTSA gigs. Fri, sat, Sun, Monday, Tues, 3 on NYE, one yesterday(NY day) & NONE today!!! - but one tomorow nite(Sat.) & another on Sunday nite. S this is my 1st time to sit at the PC.!!!!!!

Will check out the spkr cabs polarity- but as they seem to work beautifully daisy-chained Shouldn't that mean they're OK?? will check 'em anyway. All the Spkr leads are A-OK have checked them. Haven't taken the lid off the LMII, it's OVER a year old so I s'pose it's outta warranty???? IIRC it's a ONE YEAR warranty.
But WILL take it out & check the two spkr outs. Thanks for that guys!!

WILL let U know what I find!
 
Yeah I just went through all this crap with my rig. You'd be really suprised what you will find. Search on Warning SPeaker Phasing Problems was my post.

I haven't used a 9volter, but I use a 6V lantern bat. With 810's they draw a lot of current, but the 6V doesnt kick the speakers too far.

You will want to make sure on the cable AT the AMP END that with a + on the +1 and MInus on -1 or Battery + on the tip of a 1/4" and - on the sleeve and the speaker cones move out...

Have fun, a battery is your friend.

Signed, ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST, better known as the skull guy, Havent you guys seen the comedy routine on this guy? its hilarious...
When he gets laughs from the audience he says SILENCE - - I KILL YOU, its so damned funny.. Search on youtube BOB
 

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