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Phil Jones Bass... really that good?
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Thank you.
Ditto on the price. I was talking to a Rep about a blemished model and he came up with this - $50 coupon! That extends my warranty from 2 to 3 years. (blemished / new)
2 day delivery from NJ to the Great Lakes, FedEx.
Ditto on the price. I was talking to a Rep about a blemished model and he came up with this - $50 coupon! That extends my warranty from 2 to 3 years. (blemished / new)
2 day delivery from NJ to the Great Lakes, FedEx.
I didn’t love my BG-400. I felt it rolled off too much of the low end below 100hz. But I also felt it was probably capable of sounding bigger (and lower), given the right EQ shaping, which the built in EQ didn’t do for me very well.
I got a Quad Cortex, and it has a global parametric eq. Tried it going into the FX return on the BG…and things got a LOT better, boosting a lot of 50hz, and cutting a lot of 200hz. Sounds like a bigger cabinet now, although I’m sure its volume capabilities are not the same as a truly larger cab.
Whatever the case, it’s a fine sounding home rig for me now.
I got a Quad Cortex, and it has a global parametric eq. Tried it going into the FX return on the BG…and things got a LOT better, boosting a lot of 50hz, and cutting a lot of 200hz. Sounds like a bigger cabinet now, although I’m sure its volume capabilities are not the same as a truly larger cab.
Whatever the case, it’s a fine sounding home rig for me now.
I'm new to these amps, just got a d 1000, but these cabs with my Warwick lwa 1000 is nothing short of killer. Indoor or outdoor gigs, this rig keeps up with 2 guitarists. I was pleasantly surprised to hear how much bass this rig actually pushes. I had the pleasure of hearing one of his big cabs at NAMM a few years back, a custom cab for a client that was somewhere between 25-35 drivers, and it was funny watching the noise police run to thar booth to get them to turn it down with one of their 500 watt heads...lmao. price isn't entry level friendly for sure, but these things are wonderful.
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Either you like them or you don't. I like mine ... 2 - Cab 47s. 300w @ 8 ohm. Clear n punchy.
As with any task/ job, you have to use the right tool. A small 2x4" cab is not going to stand up to a heavy handed drummer & guitar 4x12. Phil makes bigger cabs for that occasion.
So, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
I will add, that there customer service is top shelf. Don't think Ampeg does that!
As with any task/ job, you have to use the right tool. A small 2x4" cab is not going to stand up to a heavy handed drummer & guitar 4x12. Phil makes bigger cabs for that occasion.
So, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
I will add, that there customer service is top shelf. Don't think Ampeg does that!
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Being the owner of a PJB BP800 head and a CAB 67 I’d like to offer some feedback. 1st, the cab 67 is 8ohm so the head puts out 400w and 800w into 4ohms. So this review is at 400w. The cab design is rear ported so placement away from the rear wall is important, and that’s not always an option in a small bar so keep that in mind. As for the sound it definitely has punch but doesn’t boom. I play a 4 string fretless bass and it sounds is Hi Fi. Clean lows, similar to a quality stereo. You can feel open E without the boom. Mids are just as clean. If I played larger places I wouldn’t hesitate to get a 2nd one.
I have a Genzler Magellan 800 head and I'm trying to make a decision on which cabinet should I match it with.
The Phil Jones primary attracts me by its size. However no experience at all.
So... I started to read reviews and search anywhere I could search for informations.
And I read all the previous threads which goes back to 2020.
The funny things with people's opinions is that on all topics they spread across the depths and heights of earth. While you would expect something more objective to hear.
Some people find these cabs less powerful and the same amount of people finds them loud enough to compete anything. Others don't feel the bass while others don't lack the bass from these cabs.
And if anyone is trying to make a decision (because there is no local dealer around) is just sitting wondering and flipping a coin.
Some things should be more objective.
If it farts the bass then it farts the bass. End of story. How on one guy it farts the bass and the other guy finds the bass wonderful and full? These 2 things can't go together.
The Phil Jones primary attracts me by its size. However no experience at all.
So... I started to read reviews and search anywhere I could search for informations.
And I read all the previous threads which goes back to 2020.
The funny things with people's opinions is that on all topics they spread across the depths and heights of earth. While you would expect something more objective to hear.
Some people find these cabs less powerful and the same amount of people finds them loud enough to compete anything. Others don't feel the bass while others don't lack the bass from these cabs.
And if anyone is trying to make a decision (because there is no local dealer around) is just sitting wondering and flipping a coin.
Some things should be more objective.
If it farts the bass then it farts the bass. End of story. How on one guy it farts the bass and the other guy finds the bass wonderful and full? These 2 things can't go together.
It is because while the equipment may be the same everybody's expectations and maybe more importantly usage of the same equipment is different. I may run my bass EQ flat and gain so-so and get an expected result, wonderful and full because it is used as intended. The next guy likes to boost his bass EQ and run his gain a bit hotter, but his expectations are met with fartty bass and low SPLs because he was looking for an SVT replacement.Some things should be more objective.
If it farts the bass then it farts the bass. End of story. How on one guy it farts the bass and the other guy finds the bass wonderful and full? These 2 things can't go together.
Just like that!
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I’ve got Phil Jones BG-450 + C4 cab. What I like is that I can feel the bass sound from the cabs kicking against my leg, yet the sound is clear and not boomy at all. That’s quite something!
However… I never got that feeling when I had only the C4 cab. The sound was just not naturally bassy enough. So maybe 8x5” elements would be the minimum for me.
Btw, the BG450 by itself sounds great as a classical guitar amp.
However… I never got that feeling when I had only the C4 cab. The sound was just not naturally bassy enough. So maybe 8x5” elements would be the minimum for me.
Btw, the BG450 by itself sounds great as a classical guitar amp.
Difficult to give you some advice without knowing something more of your tone goals and volume expectations.
Please keep in mind that a C4 is the equivalent of a 1x10", a C8 that of a 2x10".
You would not expect a1x10" to compete in volume in a typical band setting (except maybe small acoustic louge type setting for jazz or singer/songwriter).
The C4 and the C8 are producing deep and clear bass which is precise and destinct. But they don't readily provide that woolly deep supportive pillow of bass that some prefer. As my own tone goals vary, I sometimes combine my 2x C4's with a traditional 2x10. this is how I scale my setup
So my recommendation would be to combine 1x C8 with the Magellan 800 for a 2x10 equiv. and add a 2nd. if required.
As to the tone goals, only you can decide if you are the big woolly pillow type or the deep and precise tone type.
By the way, I can dial the bass up on my Magellan (Pre + PAmp) to fatten the tone nicely, but will stay clean and precise.
Hope this helps.
Edit: maybe talk to @/\/\3phist0 as he is actively gigging a TT800 into PJB C-8
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That makes sense... a way to get the best of both. I have a project (blues) that will be starting up soon... have been wondering about combining my old 15" with 1or both of my Cab 47s to get the best of both cabinet characteristics. A lot depends on the type of drummer we find, and the touch he has.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I have a potential buy for a Double 4 (70 watts). Can anyone give some feedback? I'm sure the tone is wonderful, but could it keep up with drums, piano and a trumpet at a jazz gig?
I'm looking for a practice amp that I can bring to smaller gigs.
I'm looking for a practice amp that I can bring to smaller gigs.
You might have difficulty getting enough volume with just the Double Four. There used to be an extension cab for it but that's been discontinued.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
My opinion (and I have one). Almost but not quite. Depending on how loud they are you will be in the backround.
I’m liking the Bass Cub Pro (BG-120) for this type of application, assuming you want a combo. I use mine often.
Im sure the BG-450 would be great too, but I don’t have one. The C4 + a head is also an excellent choice. I’ve got the C4s and use them as well.
You can add extension cabs to the Cub Pro and BG-450 should the need arise, and the C4s are 8 ohms and work well in pairs.
Double Four is a great little amp but you’d be pushing it pretty hard and wouldn’t have much headroom.
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