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Double Bass Phil Jones PB-300 with a nice preamp?
- Thread starter Jason Sypher
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I have looked into it and came to the conclusion a nice powered speaker would work just as well.
If money were no object I would by the cub and PB-300 in a heartbeat.
If money were no object I would by the cub and PB-300 in a heartbeat.
I was pretty impressed with the K series powered speakers from QSC.
I don't how the prices compare to Phil Jones stuff, but the K10 or K12 would probably sound nice for upright with the right pre.
I don't how the prices compare to Phil Jones stuff, but the K10 or K12 would probably sound nice for upright with the right pre.
K10 is $699....1000w!? 32lbs....
Curious as I already own a pre-amp....
Might be just perfect for stage monitoring which is basically all I need.
Curious as I already own a pre-amp....
Might be just perfect for stage monitoring which is basically all I need.
I'm curious to try one as well as an extension for the super flightcase on louder gigs. Subscribed.
they sound really great Jason and could probably be found for less used.
the other cool thing is that you can fly them on a PA speaker mount.
Well, I'm still checking my options...at first on paper. I just got off the Lunasa tour. There was an amp at every gig, some nice, some ridiculous. I told their soundtech that I usually go straight into the FOH with an AMT (now a Realist/AMT with pre) to which he scoffed. It actually worked out fine but I still think I need an onstage monitor for myself and the band and for small gigs...
Flightcase 300 $1299.00
PB-300 $999.00
K10 $699.00
Flightcase 300 $1299.00
PB-300 $999.00
K10 $699.00
Notes found:
DB technologies: Flexsys and Opera active powered speaker series, there L series can go small if you are looking for that (I was thinking one of these small units for an ext. for the PJ cub).
RCF ART 310A or 312A
All seem to be a good match for bass + pre-amp.
DB technologies: Flexsys and Opera active powered speaker series, there L series can go small if you are looking for that (I was thinking one of these small units for an ext. for the PJ cub).
RCF ART 310A or 312A
All seem to be a good match for bass + pre-amp.
dude.
you're in Brooklyn.
Go to guitar center and try that qsc thing. Especially since it's the cheapest option.
Jason,
I'm also curious about the PJ 300 powered extension speaker. Bet it would go great with my PJ Flightcase 300. Let me know what you impressions are.
I'm also curious about the PJ 300 powered extension speaker. Bet it would go great with my PJ Flightcase 300. Let me know what you impressions are.
The other day I had a gig in quite a large room, approx 500 people. I knew FOH was a bit rudimentary and in any case the guys would probably have a typical 'we don't put the bass through the FOH' attitude that I seem to encounter a lot.
So I rigged a DPA 4099 on the DB, as well as the always-installed Underwood. I took a QSC K10 and put it on a stick at the front and the DPA went through it via a Headway pre. The Underwood went out the back to a PJ Superflightcase as a stage monitor, no additional preamp. The sound was fantastic, the very best I've had. I wouldn't want to do this for every gig as the wiring/load in is a bit of a pain but well worth it when the room is of a size.
So I rigged a DPA 4099 on the DB, as well as the always-installed Underwood. I took a QSC K10 and put it on a stick at the front and the DPA went through it via a Headway pre. The Underwood went out the back to a PJ Superflightcase as a stage monitor, no additional preamp. The sound was fantastic, the very best I've had. I wouldn't want to do this for every gig as the wiring/load in is a bit of a pain but well worth it when the room is of a size.
Roger - have you ever tried running both through the Headway into the Q10? This is a configuration I've always wondered about, especially with the Q10 on the stick behind and over the shoulder of the bassist.
Chris, only in my room at home. It was Ok and I'll try it on a gig soon. At home I felt I needed the bite and bottom that an amp voiced for bass provided from the pickup and I'm not yet sure that a K10 would do this - but we'll see. There's an interesting dimension to all this, and that is that your ears get attuned to the sound that you become accustomed to through recent regular playing; probably explains why I'm such an Underwood fan, whereas somebody coming relatively recently to the whole thing might have a more open mind - or ear.
Interesting.
Couple things:
1.) I'm using an 'amp voiced for bass', the BergIP112, with the Millennia TD-1 preamp. For usable volume I need a big cut down low, say below 30 - 50 Hz in order for the E string not to feed back. The same could be achieved with a high pass filter, such as Fdecks.
2.) I saw Larry Grenadier about a month ago at the Vanguard. He was using the Schoepps microphone (Hclamp)-->compressor/preamp-->Mackie powered 15" PA speaker which was on a stand and positioned right behind his head. He sounded great, but there was clearly a big EQ cut on the low end.
Get where I'm going?
So Larry is using a mic into a powered cab.... I wonder why the common wisdom is that a mic into an amp (even a hi-fi amp) isn't really happening yet it's great into a powered cab? I keep finding uses for a monitor on stage but don't really think the top firing PBJ (Superflightcase) is really what I"m wanting. I don't plan on standing over my amp anytime soon....
I didn't mean to kill the thread with a Larry reference. Can we talk about the difference between mic/amp and mic/powered cab?
In my experience, the only real difference is that a powered cab can go up on a pole and thereby be out of the direct line of the mic - I did this with a bass cab for a bit, and it worked great. Powered cabs have the pole mount built in, which helps, and were not designed with a bass response that figures sitting on the floor into the equation. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but that's been my direct experience.
