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Phrases bassists should stop using immediately

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LOL. You're right--I hate it when an audience expects you to conform to the conventions of Western music. Blaze your own trail; be your own man. I'm sure you'll have no problem finding an audience that appreciates unmetered wankery. You might not want to quit your day job just yet though. ;)

I picked up music when I was 18. Somehow I doubt I'll ever become famous.

Funny you bring up "My Girl". Those of you who'd rather be melodic than groove need to go listen to a LOT of Jamerson. Tell me he's not melodic, or busy, or whatever. But he's always groovin!

But I don't want to groove. I don't want to make people dance or feel the need to tap their foot and move their hips.

If "groove" is just supposed to mean that your band sounds tight, then why use two different words for it, especially if someone is playing something by himself?
 
So that's how it is?

First I've always heard "locking in with the drummer" was playing when he's playing. Now it's "no no... it just means play in time." Wow, really? I always thought I was supposed to play my own thing at random tempos while the rest of the band does the same.

Did I say no no... it just means play in time? Nope. So why address that to me? People want to make this simplistic and sometimes it is... but that doesn't mean it's limited to simplistic thinking.

Ever listen to Frank Zappa? IMO he grooved. His bassists were not "restricted" to playing what the drummer played. I use that word for a reason... the simplistic thinkers seem to want to think that that's what it is... not allowing you to do anything other than what the drummer is doing.

Fact is, you can groove in a group and not even be playing the same time signature. Check out Dennis Chambers, a fairly famous drummer. He can and does turn the time around and still maintain a groove... because while he is playing against them, he's also playing with them. It's neither simple nor easy to do and when most people try it it sounds either obvious or just bad.

You could have bass playing in one time signature with guitar and drums playing in another... the key is being cognizant of each other and making it work TOGETHER. Together is not restricted to the drummer's time signature. And yes, you could be grooving.

One can either stay with the simplistic view, not considering that they could think outside the box or use some imagination and much like a kid at Christmas, just have your way with the box. My box would be a three-headed pony.
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I take grooving to mean everyone headed in the same direction, in a groove. How wide that groove is is entirely up to you.

bypassing most of this stuff...
Now it's "uh no... grooving isn't getting people dancing through the rythm you're playing. It just means play in time!" Really? So now being reduntant is the cool new fad?

I love it when people say this. This has gone from "WHY WOULD YOU PLAY BUSY BASS LINES ON 'MY GIRL'????" to things like this.

For some crazy reason people assume that I'm going to go to a soul concert and start playing metal or decide that soloing over "My Girl" is a good idea, just because I want to be melodic. It's astounding. I want to know if this extends to other areas of your life. Do you go to a post office and order a hamburger? No? Why not? Because the post office doesn't serve hamburgers? Oh. So, why can't I pick my audience by playing at venues that primarily or only play the style of music I want to play?

What? I might not get into those venues? Well tough. I don't settle for less when I'm just playing for fun.



Because people always expect it to groove. That's my whole problem.



Nobody said it would. It was "here's my video".

Now this...

So is guitar about grooving too? Flute? Keyboards? Synths?

If it's all in the context of the song, then why even make up a term for it?

Because just because people are playing at the same time doesn't mean they're playing TOGETHER.

What if you're playing a solo bass part. Then anything is in the context of the song, because that's all the song is. How do you define grooving then?

By what the rest of the group is supporting you with. At that point you are obviously playing ALONE (solo) yet you are still playing WITH THEM.

Unless you truly mean solo as in no accompaniment. In that case you can still groove because you can IMPLY the same groove or even a new one with what you play.

Again, not simplistic... it can be great when it works.
 
I picked up music when I was 18. Somehow I doubt I'll ever become famous.



But I don't want to groove. I don't want to make people dance or feel the need to tap their foot and move their hips.

If "groove" is just supposed to mean that your band sounds tight, then why use two different words for it, especially if someone is playing something by himself?

People do that when they like something...:eek:

That's fine... you'll apprently put effort into it and easily get your wish.

BTW people tap their feet on all kinds of music they like. Most musicians consider that a good thing that the audience is relating to what they're doing.
 
And to think when I clicked on this thread, I was expecting rants on the terms "growl" and "mwah" -- terms which, if you asked a hundred bassists what they thought they meant, you would get a hundred different answers!
 
I hate these phrases, never use them ever, and I think anyone who does should be kicked in the sack repeatedly:

"It's all about the groove."

It doesn't matter what kind of music you're playing. It's always all about the groove. You said somewhere that dixieland is the EXCEPTION to this rule?! No way man. Listen to some good dixieland or trad. jazz.

The only possible exception is some kinds of classical music, and for all intents and purposes I think you can leave that out of almost any discussion as it pertains to electric bass playing.
 
It doesn't matter what kind of music you're playing. It's always all about the groove. You said somewhere that dixieland is the EXCEPTION to this rule?! No way man. Listen to some good dixieland or trad. jazz.

The only possible exception is some kinds of classical music, and for all intents and purposes I think you can leave that out of almost any discussion as it pertains to electric bass playing.

People like you are the entire problem. It's NOT about the groove IF I DON'T WANT IT TO BE!

Classical is an exception? Then what about Prog Rock? Metal?

Why should bass be limited by something like groove?
 
My mother lives next door to the first violinist in one of the country's top philharmonic orchestras. In the very limited way I can talk music on his level, I have indeed discussed pocket and groove with him. Just tell him there is no groove in classical music. He would probably laugh. I don't necessarily get it, but I'm sure as hell he does.
 
Ahh, found this dictionary quote of what it means to groove: Link Removed


Slang.
a. to take great pleasure; enjoy oneself: He was grooving on the music




Truthfully, I think we need to work on some universal musical definitions here at talkbass, because I see quite a few musicians slandered here because they're not playing funk. :rolleyes:
 
I picked up music when I was 18. Somehow I doubt I'll ever become famous.

Huh? I picked up the bass when I was 34. Dude, you're a friggin' zygote compared to half the guys here. These guys are the SOLUTION, not the problem. The other day you posted that you couldn't even play a song all the way through without getting bored. Catch the hint these guys are trying to lay on you and play some MUSIC. :cool:
 
My mother lives next door to the first violinist in one of the country's top philharmonic orchestras. In the very limited way I can talk music on his level, I have indeed discussed pocket and groove with him. Just tell him there is no groove in classical music. He would probably laugh. I don't necessarily get it, but I'm sure as hell he does.

Ahh, I like how you don't even bother to quote me, as my post clearly states "some types of classical music". I was referring specificially to music that features heavy rubato, or some 20th century music that does away with conventional meter entirely. I hope your freind gets as much of a kick out of your intentional misinterperetation of my post as I do.

Regardless, lemme know the next time you get a symphony gig playin' your Fender.

EDIT: Oh, I guess you did quote my post. Either way, I don't appreciate you twisting my words like that.
 
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