Pino and the RARHOF....

[JAUQO III-X]

Now Mike why in the world do you want to go and get Randy all worked up?

 

[Fretless5verfan]

I was asking about CURRENT mainstream things. I know tons of stuff Miller and Lee have played on but what are they playing on/with that's current and on par with the exposure of The Who and John Mayer? I'm not asking this to support any side of the argument, I'm just wondering because I haven't heard their names popping up in a while...MIKE...lol.

I'm not looking for a discography. And no, Oz Noy and SMV don't count e.g. Janek's playing with VV Brown.

 

[MikeBass]

Now Mike why in the world do you want to go and get Randy all worked up?

Because I am who I am without being who I am......or something like that...



Seriously though, when guys point out or take to task that someone isn't up on something, like Randy did to dalkowski , and then make statements that show, that well, really he may be completely overstating something and showing a bit of arrogence with the subject at hand. A pretty good, un-debatable, no question example (Will Lee) is needed to maybe prove a point.

Sure my fav players in a given genre may not be on someones radar, but I'm not gonna single someone out like that because they might not run in those circles.

Wanna say that NO OTHER is as versed as Pino, I'll be happy to provide the link to his page, and maybe Oskar Cartaya too......

 

[MikeBass]

I was asking about CURRENT mainstream things. I know tons of stuff Miller and Lee have played on but what are they playing on/with that's current and on par with the exposure of The Who and John Mayer? I'm not asking this to support any side of the argument, I'm just wondering because I haven't heard their names popping up in a while...MIKE...lol.

I'm not looking for a discography. And no, Oz Noy and SMV don't count e.g. Janek's playing with VV Brown.

Umm...David Letterman???
Did you know he was in the house band??

LOL!!!

Well, since we're talking about the RARHOF...just watch the damn thing and you'll see who Will is playing with!

Oh, Marcus went out with the Head Hunters a year or two back if I recall.

 

[Fretless5verfan]

Umm...David Letterman???
Did you know he was in the house band??

LOL!!!

LETTERMAN!?!?

 

[JAUQO III-X]

when guys point out or take to task that someone isn't up on something, like Randy did to dalkowski , and then make statements that show, that well, really he may be completely overstating something and showing a bit of arrogence with the subject at hand. A pretty good, un-debatable, no question example (Will Lee) is needed to maybe prove a point.

Sure my fav players in a given genre may not be on someones radar, but I'm not gonna single someone out like that because they might not run in those circles.

Wanna say that NO OTHER is as versed as Pino, I'll be happy to provide the link to his page, and maybe Oskar Cartaya too......

I fully agree Mike.



And as far as some one talking about how none relevant some players are today in comparison to what Pino is doing lately need to take into account that some of those bass players are highly respected composers and producers. As well as being very visible film scorers.


Kat's need to chill with kissing their favorite players butts and give props to others that deserve props as well..

 

[MikeBass]

I fully agree Mike.



And as far as some one talking about how none relevant some players are today in comparison to what Pino is doing lately need to take into account that some of those bass players are highly respected composers and producers. As well as being very visible film scorers.


Kat's need to chill with kissing their favorite players butts and give props to others that deserve props as well..

This isn't really directed at Randy, but I have noticed that guys in the R&B/nu soul/gospel world really don't give props or respect to guys outside those circles, unless they are on the level of say, Will Lee etc.......

The is a line that is drawn and it is painfully obvious at times in this regard.

Hell, here you and I, and countles others debate all kinds of players, when in fact we have an very active TB'r who has gold records and Grammy's amoung us.
But you would never know and he wouldn't tell you either. And to really listen to whet he's played on, a LOT of us would dismiss it as casually easy stuff.

There are guys here in Detroit, who themselves are MONSTER players and don't really care outside of R&B who's doing what, because they view that genere, along with Jazz, as the only two really worth paying attention to.
They would almost laugh when I told them I played country.
Then I would grab my strings and leave LowDown Sound because I had to go pack to get on a plane to play in front of say, 10,000 people the next day, backing up some "BS country artist" (and yes, I was told that to my face once. My reply was "Well, cool. You're playing some badass R&B for 25 people who don't care about your $4000 Ken Smith while making $75." to be fair, I was playing a Sadowsky at the time)

I see it all the time here on the boards too.....R&B/gosple cats seem to reign supreme.

You and I J have talked about this. You know what I mean.

Hell, up untill VooDoo came out, who the hell in R&B would have thought to tap into a goofy looking, tall as hell, Welsh white guy to play serious R&B/neo-soul groove like that????
NO ONE thats who!

 

[BassBob2112]

Steely Dan is (deservedly) in.

Regardless, The RARHOF is a total joke.

It is a total joke.

Rush has never even been nominated.

Sir Paul didn't get in until what, 5 or 6 years ago?

 

[MikeBass]

LETTERMAN!?!?

Yeah, CRAZY TALK huh?!??!!

 

[BassBob2112]

Randy a musician playing on a number one hit does not constitute some type of greatness over a musician who hasn't.

Sideman work is just that. 90% of the time no one involved in the making of a particular song even knows it will become a hit.

Hall of "FAME". In theory it the name would imply the person or band should be....famous.

As wonderful as any of these sidemen or session guys are, they're not 'famous'.

 

[markkoelsch]

Amen. Gets the greatest gig in rock bass- the one where you can really let it fly AND they have Zak Starkey bringing the spirit of Moonie on stage every night- and goes all polite and session guy with it.

I dig Pino, but I LOVE the Who and I miss them having a really driving bass player who could elevate the music.

I totally agree. The Who's music is largely driven by bass, and to not have that happen cheapens the original intent of the music. Entwistle was the first, what I would refer to, as an attack bassist. Aggressive technique, aggressive tone, and just the attitude to really project bass. I believe that Pino is very capable of doing it, but is most likely doing as he is asked. Frankly though, and I think Pino has an outstanding body of work, the Who should have chosen somebody more rock. They should have asked Billy Sheehan...he is rock, he has agressive technique, and aggressive tone.

 

[Ezbass]

Hall of "FAME". In theory it the name would imply the person or band should be....famous.

As wonderful as any of these sidemen or session guys are, they're not 'famous'.

Pretty much what I said in post #31 but I was pretty long winded about it

I totally agree. The Who's music is largely driven by bass, and to not have that happen cheapens the original intent of the music. Entwistle was the first, what I would refer to, as an attack bassist. Aggressive technique, aggressive tone, and just the attitude to really project bass. I believe that Pino is very capable of doing it, but is most likely doing as he is asked. Frankly though, and I think Pino has an outstanding body of work, the Who should have chosen somebody more rock. They should have asked Billy Sheehan...he is rock, he has agressive technique, and aggressive tone.

The original intent? I see where you're coming from but let's be honest The Who (for the majority) play Pete Townshend's music, I think he might have something to say about original intent. I definitely agree with Pino doing as asked, it's what session guys do. BS would've been spot on tone wise but once you go there then he would have probably been lambasted for not playing JE's lines note for note, and what player of renown doesn't want to play it his way (by this I mean that BS isn't a session guy).

 

[Randy Newton]

There's three electric bass players and one acoustic bass player credited on that cd. Do you know for a fact that Pino is playing bass on that track?


And it really doesn't matter because, it's a single released from that particular CD. What will you say when they release another single from the same CD and Pino's not on it?

Would you then feel that they dissed Pino?


Sounds to me like you woke up very recently and discovered Pino not knowing or wanting to believe that there was bass in r&B and hip hop before there was Pino.

And playing nice bass lines and then calling it hip hop isn't rocket science

I fully agree Mike.



And as far as some one talking about how none relevant some players are today in comparison to what Pino is doing lately need to take into account that some of those bass players are highly respected composers and producers. As well as being very visible film scorers.


Kat's need to chill with kissing their favorite players butts and give props to others that deserve props as well..

and you need to read again what you wrote few days ago; i might be "kissing my fav player's butt" (according to you) but speaking of Pino's nusoul/hip hop/r'n'b work in terms of "playing nice bass lines and then calling it hip hop isn't rocket science" shows that you don't give him any respect and honestly, you obviously don't know what you're talkin about once again, no big deal (i'm pretty much used to that)

 

[JAUQO III-X]

and you need to read again what you wrote few days ago; i might be "kissing my fav player's butt" (according to you) but speaking of Pino's nusoul/hip hop/r'n'b work in terms of "playing nice bass lines and then calling it hip hop isn't rocket science" shows that you don't give him any respect and honestly, you obviously don't know what you're talkin about once again, no big deal (i'm pretty much used to that)

Randy I have much respect for Pino.I just don't put an artist on a god like pedestal.

And as far as my comment about taking nice bass lines and then calling it hip hop isn't rocket science.

You make it seem like Pino is really coming up with some thing that no other bass player can do.

The same bass lines he plays in r&b he plays in nu soul and hip hop. But because of the genre that he's featured in at the moment it's called what the labels or artist feel is genre title appropriate.


Stop being so sensitive because you want your favorite player to be what he's not. You come of very strong that you want him to be the only talented bass player around in the history of the instrument.When in actuality he's not the only talented bass player there is.


There are so many talented bass players out there. Some of them right here at tb.

 

[greenboy]

Pino's cuts on Voodoo - bor-ing, bo-ring, ggrrraaaawk!!!

Link Removed

 

[JAUQO III-X]

Greenboy you are so in trouble. Randy's doing to get you



You have dissed Pino and Randy big time.

 

[Randy Newton]

Randy I have much respect for Pino.I just don't put an artist on a god like pedestal.

And as far as my comment about taking nice bass lines and then calling it hip hop isn't rocket science.

You make it seem like Pino is really coming up with some thing that no other bass player can do.

The same bass lines he plays in r&b he plays in nu soul and hip hop. But because of the genre that he's featured in at the moment it's called what the labels or artist feel is genre title appropriate.


Stop being so sensitive because you want your favorite player to be what he's not. You come of very strong that you want him to be the only talented bass player around in the history of the instrument.When in actuality he's not the only talented bass player there is.


There are so many talented bass players out there. Some of them right here at tb.

This is not about putting anyone on pedestal, this is not about what others bass players can do.

You say Pino plays his usual r'n'b lines in hiphop/nusoul.Among the 5 tracks he's played on D'Angelo's Voodoo, his most famous nusoul recording, that's true on "Send it on" and "Feel like makin love". Listen to the 3 others tracks and if you call it " usual regular r'n'b playing ", well we won't manage to really understand each other...

I'm not even quite sure Pino's my fav bass player (i've posted lots of jam on my YT (Fjord76) check it out if you got some time and you'll hear he ain't my main influence) I'm not saying he's the only talented bass player in the history of the instrument; i'm just saying he's probably the most versatile (read my post#72)

 

[JAUQO III-X]

i'm just saying he's probably the most versatile (read my post#72)

And that is the problem. You seem to not have taken into proven account that there are indeed other bass players with a body of versatility that really put's Pino some where else.

 

[greenboy]

Is this cat gettin' in?*

If not, Pino, get in line. I don't care what you played on ; }






* I really don't think awards are about gettin' it right anyway, but just for the sake of killin' time

 

[Randy Newton]

And that is the problem. You seem to not have taken into proven account that there are indeed other bass players with a body of versatility that really put's Pino some where else.

there's some improvement: only one point of disagreement left
Peace out