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Players Vs. Collectors.

Would it be OK to Krylon spray paint a real Stradivarius just because you owned it?
I'm not really comparing a vintage bass to a Strad, but if you have a special instrument, you really only own it for a while. No one lives forever.

That being said, cheap basses are made for mods.
 
Epidrake said:
Would it be OK to Krylon spray paint a real Stradivarius just because you owned it?
I'm not really comparing a vintage bass to a Strad, but if you have a special instrument, you really only own it for a while. No one lives forever.

I wouldn't have any problem if anyone did that...it's a piece of wood and they paid for it.
 
I wouldn't have any problem if anyone did that...it's a piece of wood and they paid for it.

Excatly. You DONT live forever. So who cares how much its worth when you leave this earth? Why not makeit so the "next owner" knows whos it is. Make it special and custom. Weather it be a nice wear mark on the top left (look at the bass, wereyour arm would rest) or maybe it be a chip out of the paint from when you didnt have strap locks on it.
 
I wouldn't have any problem if anyone did that...it's a piece of wood and they paid for it.

I wouldn't have any problem if anyone did that...it's a piece of wood and they paid for it.

Of course it USED to be a four million dollar or more piece of wood . . . .

While folks obviously can do what they want to with their property, there is an argument to make that once an instrument has aggregated huge value, destroying a significant portion of that value is actually wrong. Imagine it's cash. Rather than take four million in cash and burn it just for fun, a better use, if you don't care to have the money yourself, arguably it would be to give it away to some organization that does something you think is valuable.

I think, FWIW, that a lot of the regrets are a mix of lost value and perhaps recognition that, today, the person would like the bass in its original (plus wear) condition more than it's revised version.

Given the madly inflated prices for some specific older instruments, I'd suggest it's a bad economic decision to modify or probably to refinish at this point in time. But utimately each person gets to decide whether to (potentially) devalue any asset they own, and I'm not finding "thou shalt not muck up thy stack knob jazz bass" in any scripture. Maybe it was on that tablet that Mel Brooks broke.
 
But that's boring! No one wants to go see a clone of another band! When you are up on stage you cant have the same bass as everyone else. I was mighty surprised to find that everyone except 2 guys (out of 13) had something other then a P bass. One had a Ibanez i believe and the other was a 5string Jazz. Everyone else at my concert had what seemed to be the same bass rotating around, and around and around. I stopped watching the bassists after about the 3rd P bass I saw. (mind you they were all MIM standards.) I thought wow, no originality. My bass on the other hand you can notice the difference right away. All maple neck, albany (i think that's how you spell it...) inlays, I've got that amazing longer neck (by 4 frets to a standard i believe.)
Im soon going to be installing "70's" hardware to it, and re-finishing it to an Olympic white. I can tell you right now. There is No One else in this world that will have my bass. Hell i still have yet to come across anyone who has even played an American Deluxe. While music is the most important aspect to being a band, Appearance is next. While the Strats and P basses are Iconic, they are also boring. Unless given the right one. (look at bottom) Heres a pic of my friends guitar. Did it himself it looks BA, And totally original. Whats cooler than going to a concert playing something you know people will be looking at? So why have something that doesnt grab peoples attention. We (bassists) already barley get payed any attention. For instance A7x. Ive only seen the bassist in 1 of there videos. They glorified everyone BUT him. So why not get something to bring the spot light over to us? Let your bass get some wear, let you bass get some battle marks from accidently hitting a wall while walking. Give it some cool stickers, Give it a custom paint job. Make custom pick guards. Make it yours, make it special. I mean who going to remember "the guy who kept a clean bass" when your dead? (not talking directly to you sterrance...) People remember Jimmy Hendrix for his amazing music and when he lite his guitar on fire. So screw keeping a nice clean bass. Keep a working bass that changes while you change.

First off, so long as your bass says 'Fender' on the headstock, you can't make any claims about originality or uniqueness. And, while I have to meet you halfway in that, I don't want a sunburst bass because I find it kind of typical, I also don't think that it matters if the player I'm seeing at a show is playing a straight-up 'burst Fender P or J. I'm watching his hands and listening to his tone, because even after more than a quarter century playing, I learn something everytime I see a good player play.

When I was looking for something non-cliche to play a few years back, I bought a Lakland 55-02, because I didn't have to depend on something as frankly unnoticeable as abalone blocks to make my bass stand out. Case in point: I have seen *one* other player on the circuit in my city playing a 55-02. There's another who plays a 55-94, though. I get the feeling I'd see more of these basses if I were playing in Chicago, so don't take what I'm saying as anything other than a non-scientific observation.

The fact that, say five bands may all have the same model and finish of Fender bass doesn't mean anything other than that the model works in many contexts. It doesn't make those bands clones of one another. I think you're concentrating on the least important aspect, here.

Second, I think that marked-up strat is the most immature, college-level 'custom' job I've seen in a long time. And a peace sign is so cliché at this point that it's almost a visual joke. That's a guitar disguised as the back page of some art-school student's textbook.

Where I *do* agree with you is that I think that, if it's your bass and you want to spray paint it, carve on it or dip it in chicken fat and roll it in lye, you should feel that you can do so.
 
First off, so long as your bass says 'Fender' on the headstock, you can't make any claims about originality or uniqueness. And, while I have to meet you halfway in that, I don't want a sunburst bass because I find it kind of typical, I also don't think that it matters if the player I'm seeing at a show is playing a straight-up 'burst Fender P or J. I'm watching his hands and listening to his tone, because even after more than a quarter century playing, I learn something everytime I see a good player play.

When I was looking for something non-cliche to play a few years back, I bought a Lakland 55-02, because I didn't have to depend on something as frankly unnoticeable as abalone blocks to make my bass stand out. Case in point: I have seen *one* other player on the circuit in my city playing a 55-02. There's another who plays a 55-94, though. I get the feeling I'd see more of these basses if I were playing in Chicago, so don't take what I'm saying as anything other than a non-scientific observation.

The fact that, say five bands may all have the same model and finish of Fender bass doesn't mean anything other than that the model works in many contexts. It doesn't make those bands clones of one another. I think you're concentrating on the least important aspect, here.

Second, I think that marked-up strat is the most immature, college-level 'custom' job I've seen in a long time. And a peace sign is so cliché at this point that it's almost a visual joke. That's a guitar disguised as the back page of some art-school student's textbook.

Where I *do* agree with you is that I think that, if it's your bass and you want to spray paint it, carve on it or dip it in chicken fat and roll it in lye, you should feel that you can do so.

Well saying that having "fender" On the head stock automatically makes it un-original is complete utter bull. No matter what angle you come at it. Its complete bull. With your logic, buying any bass would be un-original making your lakland un original... There is also a reason why I am stripping my bass and re finishing it, I hate burst. I despise it. There is only ONE good burst that i like and that is my strat.

On that note I fail to see how my friends guitar is immature and a college level custom job. If you met the guy you would understand why he put that.

And I may be concentrating on something un important. But its still a big deal. Like i said before, first comes how well you play then comes the looks. For any musician. As for the average joe, Most people dont care for the music most of the time unless its bad, then they hate it. So if your music is somewhat pleasing/mediocre-pretty good. Unless the band is exceptionally good or a guitarist (or bassist) does an insane riff no one really is going to care. Thus Appearance is the next most important thing. Im not sure how it is were you are at, but thats how it is down here in SoCal.

heres the only burst im fond of. Looks way better in person
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Lots of "no regret" and "it's yours, do what you want" talk going on here. But fact is this - those who modded a collectible instrument back in the day would never repeat that action today. And those who will tell you they don't care if you paint a '59 P-bass pink and purple - rest assured that they would never do that if THEY owned that '59 P.


Those who want a never ending testimonial to "I never should have done this" need look no further than ebay or their local classifieds.
 
You CAN play a bass a lot and not beat the crap out of it. I've had my bass for a while now and it doesn't have a mark on it. Its not that I try to keep it in pristine condition, it's just I avoid smashing it against things.
 
You CAN play a bass a lot and not beat the crap out of it. I've had my bass for a while now and it doesn't have a mark on it. Its not that I try to keep it in pristine condition, it's just I avoid smashing it against things.
+1
i've had my US fender HRP since 2001 and i've played the crap out of it and it still looks better than half the basses you see hanging on the wall at your local GC.
 
I am one of those guys who loves my gear in pristine condition. I had a 1991 P bass that I toured the US with when I was playing for a couple acts out of nashville. I recently gave that bass to my son who is now 14 and an incredibly talented player. In the years I had that bass not a scratch came to it because I always took good care of it. It was one of my tools with which i did my work. I also didn't mod it because IMO leo fender knew what he was doing. If people mod/beat up their gear well it is their stuff they paid for it...but if you want to sell it to me...don't expect collector prices
 
This shouldnt have started why?

I'm not saying what you stated in the opening portion is wrong or right...I'm just saying that your entry post is not looking for opinions...it seems to look for reasons to dffer with other opinions...(granted, the people who disagree with you come up for the bait faster than a bluegill)...but, maybe that's what you're fishin for...nothin more : )
 
Thus Appearance is the next most important thing. Im not sure how it is were you are at, but thats how it is down here in SoCal.

And look what that brought us. Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, anyone with a Disney Channel show and all the other packaged-for-video acts. So many bands are trying too hard to be unique, that they end up being just like every other band that is trying to be unique. If one's choice of stickers is the determining factor for success, then God help us all. Music as we knew it is dead.

You know what would be unique these days? Good songwriting that has been arranged well and performed professionally.

And please don't speak for all of SoCal. Maybe in your genre in your part of SoCal what you say holds, but it is not indicative of all SoCal. We actually get some good musicians up here in LA who have talent, take care of their gear and respect their audience by delivering the best possible performance without silly outfits to cheapen their skill (though we have our share of those yahoos as well). There are many genres where people go to hear music, not see it.
 
Just because certain players try to avoid scratches and dings doesnt make them any lesser as a 'player'. I personally dont care about basses I intend to carry with my to my grave, for eg. my early 90s jazz which has a huge buckle gash and lots of stickers on it. I am more cautious with instruments that I may I be offloading in the future.

And I have no problems with my guitarist handling his axe with much care, doesnt make him lesser of a 'player' in my eyes.
 
[...] May strip her then paint her olympic white and im getting my ash tray sin the mail soon! :3 before i drill any holes though, im going to make sure i like the look!
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Anywho ill post some picture of my bass with its ash trays when i get them :)

Some industrial strength double-stick tape will allow you to try the trays before drilling.

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