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Powerful and Loud Heads for a Grand or Less

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Coreymcd22, Feb 19, 2016.


  1. Coreymcd22

    Coreymcd22

    Apr 1, 2013
    Upstate, SC
    I've got a Sunn Coliseum 300 that I run out of an Ampeg 808 (I've also played it through 6x10s and 8x10s) that I dig, but I'm looking for something that can push more volume. Unfortunately most 300 watt tube heads are out of my price range so I was wondering if there were any other good secret weapon heads like the Coliseum 300 out there that provide good bang for the buck.

    My rig gets me throw plenty of shows just fine but with larger rooms I really have to crank the gain and I'd like to not have to push the amp so hard to be heard in my fairly loud band. I've heard great things about the Aguilar Tonehammer series some of the hybrid amps like the Eden World Tours but I don't have places to try them and see how they do. There is an Eden 300T for sale online that I can almost afford but this is a head that I can find very little information on.
     
  2. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    What is your budget like? The Mesa M6 is a beast, and they come up used pretty often. Are your cabs 4 or 8 ohms total load?
     
  3. Coreymcd22

    Coreymcd22

    Apr 1, 2013
    Upstate, SC
    4 ohms, which I know splits the Coliseum to 150 watts... my budget is right around $900.00
     
  4. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Get a GK1001RB and put the remaining $350 to a cab.
     
  5. Carvin B2000

    Or a used B1500
     
  6. Coreymcd22

    Coreymcd22

    Apr 1, 2013
    Upstate, SC
    I'll definitely look into this one.
     
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  7. You will run out of speaker cab with a high power amp. Having high wattage just means you can BBQ those 4 8" speakers, not necessarily be much louder. Speakers hit a point that they stop getting louder and just start heating up (power compression), this is one very small step away from silence......fried speakers.
     
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  8. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    This.

    Need more volume? You need more speaker my friend.

    By yourself an 8-10 for way less than a grand and let that Sunnyvale amp eat!
     
  9. Coreymcd22

    Coreymcd22

    Apr 1, 2013
    Upstate, SC
    So an 8x10 would make that big of a difference? I've considered that route before but I thought they ran 4 ohm as well which would still cut the Coliseum down to 150 watt. Although if it will help that much I'll do definitely go that way and save some money and trouble.
     
  10. Coreymcd22

    Coreymcd22

    Apr 1, 2013
    Upstate, SC
    Good advice
     
  11. oaklandthumb

    oaklandthumb

    Nov 12, 2014
    GK700rb into a 4 ohm 410
     
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  12. Lo-E

    Lo-E

    Dec 19, 2009
    Brooklyn, NY
    Absolutely! Think about it: if an 8" driver has a surface area of roughly 50"sq, and a 10" driver has a surface area of roughly 79"sq, you currently have about 200 square inches of surface area with which to move air. With an 810, you'd be using the same amount of power (150W), but you'd have roughly 632 square inches to push air with. More than three times what you have now. 150W is plenty if you're pushing enough surface area. Now, all things are not equal and this is an oversimplification so I'm not going to say that you'll be exactly three times louder, but let's just say the difference will be substantial. Furthermore, that 810 will be able to handle the power if you decide to go with a more powerful head down the road.

    Incidentally, the Eden 300T was not one of their finer moments. It's an okay amp, but I would take one of the classic World Tour heads: WT400, WT550 or WT800 over a 300T any day. Just because it's all tube doesn't mean it's necessarily better. Eden World Tour heads are World Class. The 300T, not so much. Actually, your Colosseum is a much better head than that 300T, IMO, and through an 810 would be loud enough to get arrested.

    EDIT: Your current cab is an 8x8, not a 4x8. Silly me for not noticing that, but the 810 will still eat it's lunch.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2016
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  13. This

    Stupid loud and sounds great
     
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  14. That head doesn't sound very "tubey" to me. Tom Bolus did a review of it, do a search in the forums. I think G-K1001RB-ll is a huge bang for your buck ... You can get one for $450 US and it pushes 700 really loud watts at 4 Ohms. Old Fender Studio Bass heads and Super Twin heads are both 180 all tube watts and can be picked up for a reasonable prices. Cheers.
     
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  15. Dogbertday

    Dogbertday Commercial User

    Jul 10, 2007
    SE Wisconsin
    Blaine Music LLC
    I think there's some ohm confusion going on. Lower ohms allow you amp to crank MORE watts, not less.
     
  16. One of the best bang for the buck amps I know personnaly is the SWR Mo' Bass. Outdoor festival power output with ton of features.
    http://support.swramps.com/manuals/pdfs/MoBass_OM.pdf

    Bridge/Mono Mode
    900 Watts @ 4 Ohms
    650 Watts @ 8 Ohms
    440 Watts @ 16 Ohms
    (minimum load = 4 Ohms)

    Stereo Mode (per side)
    600 watts @ 2 Ohms
    400 watts @ 4 Ohms
    250 watts @ 8 Ohms
    150 watts @ 16 Ohms
    (minimum load = 2 Ohms)

    Mine was very reliable and only retired because no more outdoor gigs. Through a pair of 612 cabs = OMG!!
     
  17. mbelue

    mbelue

    Dec 11, 2010
    I vote more cabinet. Stick with the Sunn.
     
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  18. Coreymcd22

    Coreymcd22

    Apr 1, 2013
    Upstate, SC
    Yea, its 8x8 so I never thought of the surface area as being a huge jump, but you've convinced me to give an 8x10 a try and see how I like it, thanks.

     
  19. edencab

    edencab

    Aug 14, 2013
    Toronto, On
    these two will kick butt........bebass (fellow TB'er ) is a US distributor

    Traynor Amps heavy pounding beast 600 @8 ohms / 800 @4 ohms / 600 @2 ohms

    Traynor Amps light weight, serious tone and loud 500 @4 ohms
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2016
  20. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Pretty much anything GK makes is going to be a good bang-for-the-buck. The MB800 is crazy loud, if you want lightweight, and the 700/1000RB-II are also amazing.

    Hartke LH1000 absolutely delivers, and is quite affordable.

    Peavey's new MiniMega is a tour de force, and an amazing bargain.

    Mesa's new D-800 and the Genzler Magellan 800 are also very competent, lightweight, and surprisingly affordable.

    And if you go used, there are lots more options, of course.
     
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