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Pro Tools vs. Logic

Pro Tools or Logic?


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I use Pro Tools. A friend of mine, who graduated from the Conservatory of Recording Arts and Sciences, explained the difference to me one day as this: Logic is more oriented toward artists, Pro Tools is more intuitive for sound engineers. Logic is better for creating music with, Pro Tools is better for professional audio engineering. So while the broad premise might be similar, they are really two completely different programs for different types of people.
 
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Logic is more oriented toward artists, Pro Tools is more intuitive for sound engineers. Logic is better for creating music with, Pro Tools is better for professional audio engineering. So while the broad premise might be similar, they are really two completely different programs for different types of people.

I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with that statement. I think the reason most audio engineers use it isn't because it was designed for it nor is it because it's better for it. I think the reason most audio engineers use it is because most anyone who goes to any school for audio engineering is taught Pro Tools (and in a lot of cases ONLY Pro Tools) as part of the curriculum. Digidesign was smart by creating their own curriculum and making it available to colleges. The tide on the education front seems to have been shifting now as a lot of colleges are teaching Logic, Cubase, and others now as well.
 
I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with that statement. I think the reason most audio engineers use it isn't because it was designed for it nor is it because it's better for it. I think the reason most audio engineers use it is because most anyone who goes to any school for audio engineering is taught Pro Tools (and in a lot of cases ONLY Pro Tools) as part of the curriculum. Digidesign was smart by creating their own curriculum and making it available to colleges. The tide on the education front seems to have been shifting now as a lot of colleges are teaching Logic, Cubase, and others now as well.

While there is some truth in that I think there is also a lot of truth in what Muaguana says. Pro tools' dominance is not just from digi's buisiness savvy, as there was a time when pro tools was the ONLY system you could use in a big studio. Before computers had the power to record audio natively a pro tools HD setup was the only thing there was (along with radar, but thats a standalone system like tape).

As such the proffesional industry which adopted pro tools as the only computer based DAW useable has gotten used to it over the years and its become as much a standard tool as the tape machine was until the noughties. This has given digidesign a LOT of time to refine pro tools, make it work smoother, simpler, better etc while liasing with audio professionals who use it daily and demand the best performance.

In short, pro tools is simple, flexible and stable. It IS the first choice for engineers because there is so much 'engineering' to do on a big session you want your DAW to be simple and quick, which pro tools is. For the old hacks it also feels a bit more like a tape machine to use!

Logic on the other hand is the fast-gaining-popularity rival with everything to proove. It comes from midi manipulation as a background, not recording and has a history of innovation and flexibility. Its a MUCH MUCH bigger program that pro tools, with many more features and much more customizability. Its an amazing program but with all those features comes little bugs, weird conventions (look deep into naming the 4 elements of a normal audio track :) ) and sometimes things don't feel as fluid as PT in day to day editing.

It makes up for this in the time you save, however, by having an option to do ANYTHING!

It seems to me that the young professional engineers who have grown up with computers as they are today are more likely than ever to consider logic as a main DAW. For them, Logics increased depth is not daunting, and really quite exciting and may be a reason for them to choose it OVER PT. That said, I know many up and coming engineers who are PT freaks as well.

Of course, if you just use the surface of Logic, you don't need to see the complexity and its very easy to use. Conversly PT is a bit clunky and slow UNTIL you learn digi's key commands! To start with the relationship is switched around but with pro tools you very quickly hit a 'cap', with Logic you can explore for months and still find features you never use, or build custom mixers in the environment, or do silly things in the environment making patterns with the faders, or using the hyper editor to twist things around madly... or... ....

EDIT - oh yeah, I use PT at work (even though logic is available) and logic at home (even though PT is available!) pretty much becuase when I am at work I am in working 'engineer / producer' mode, and all the projects I do at home I am in 'musician / producer' mode. So yeah, PT for recording a band with no fuss, logic for getting down to creating music!
 
i prefer pro tools only because i work with avid consoles live.
i like to be able to plug my laptop into the desk and stream 18 tracks to the le system on my laptop at shows.
too easy.
the mbox mini also only cost 200 bucks new.
the price for the platform beat the cost of my ableton and logic software by hundreds of dollars, and included an interface
(or big dongle, depending on how you look at it. it isn't needed when using the avid desks as interfaces).
 
I don't know how much longer ProTools will stay on top but it's already been losing ground.

Out here where I work in LA and Hollywood---it is losing ground fairly dramatically. As more and more music is recorded in what are essentially "project" studios (even major label albums) I expect it'll be pretty much a 50/50 Logic/PT world out here soon. Even rock stars and first-call producers and songwriters have to save a buck everywhere they can these days, and it's simply much cheaper to set up a great Logic rig than PT. I've been a Logic guy since the early Emagic days, and I can't tell you how many times long-time PT-favoring producers and engineers I work with call me up for Logic advice these days! Many are making the switch . . .
 
Latency for USB in Logic is zero for me. On some of the functions, such as adaptive limiter where there is a "look ahead function", there is a latency, but I am pretty sure that is logic, not the USB device.
The only issues I have had with Logic is in conjunction with M-Audio Ultra Deluxe. I changed my AI and the problem disappeared.

Yeah, latency is a product of the interface itself, the drivers and the power of your computer, not the DAW. It might vary by a VERY tiny amount but its not anything to worry about. So logic will be no better/worse than any other for the most part.

The delay caused by the adaptive limiter is plug-in delay rather than latency. Things that 'look ahead' HAVE to delay the audio in order to be able to look ahead, thats the same with any plugin on any platform that has a look ahead function!

All plugs will delay the audio a bit, some tiny amounts others a lot. In logic you have plug-in delay compensation that you can turn on and off. With it on it calculates the delay on each track and lines them all up neatly so that your audio stays 'in focus'. With it off it lets the tracks with the slow plugins be late.

As a general rule, you should have plug in delay compensation OFF for tracking, and keep plugins to an absolute minimum. If you have it ON and also have a lot of plugins it not only adds a delay to EVERYTHING but it will move the audio after you have recorded it. With it off you just have to deal with the tracks which have slow plugins being a little behind. So best practice is to use as few plugs as possible, and if you are tracking reverb with vocals etc have the reverb on an aux so it can be a bit delayed without affecting what the singer is hearing (dry signal wise).

One major thing between the two is that logic express has plug in delay compensation AS STANDARD, and it is completely automatic. Pro Tools LE does not have it, you have to do it manually which is a major fiddle to say the least! Thats a real crippler for me and pro tools LE. In all the other major DAW's, ProTools HD included, it is included as standard....
 
Latency for USB in Logic is zero for me. On some of the functions, such as adaptive limiter where there is a "look ahead function", there is a latency, but I am pretty sure that is logic, not the USB device.
The only issues I have had with Logic is in conjunction with M-Audio Ultra Deluxe. I changed my AI and the problem disappeared.
sorry, that is impossible, there is no such thing as zero latency throughput when doing digital processing.
on any device/ platform.
you can monitor pre processing, however, before conversion with no latency..
 
sorry, that is impossible, there is no such thing as zero latency throughput when doing digital processing.
on any device/ platform.
you can monitor pre processing, however, before conversion with no latency..

hehe yeah, I was going to mention that but took 0 latency as meaning 'enough' :)

Most interfaces can get to 'enough' these days, but its amazing how much you can notice the tiniest amount of latency if you are working through a system and trying to get it as low as possible. Once you learn to hear it it'll always be there, its a killer!

Hardware monitoring FTW! But then you get issues with no auto input monitoring on punch ins (apart from in pro tools hd) aaargh!
 
I have a brand new Macbook Pro 2.66Ghz running Logic, which receives the signal from my bass via a Motu Microbook interface - no latency issues, excellent sound quality, I personally couldn't be happier with this setup. By far the most stable and reliable system I've ever had. The CueMix FX software that comes with the Motu interface is handy too. Given that Apple makes Logic, you can expect it to work well on Mac's without too much fuss.
 
I learned how to record with protools, and I still love it for tracking. Now that I learned how to mix in logic, I like it a bunch more, but I'm still probably better with protools. I hate dealing with the latency issues in logic, but I think in the future it will be industry standard.
 
...But then i'm one of those "college taught" people...
Fixed it for ya' . . . :cool: . . .

...The reality for me is if I can't use 2" tape, then give me PT.
There's no reason you can't have the best of both worlds . . . I use 2" tape on almost all of the projects that we do here at Joan Sebastian's Studio . . . immediately after getting the stuff* on tape, I'll transfer the music to ProTools HD3 . . . of course, we DO have the ProTools Sync module . . .

I don't think that LE equipped studios can sync to SMPTE time code . . .

* usually a string section . . . 9 violins, doubled and viola and 'cello, also doubled