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Problem with drummer

Haha im a drummer and i can tell you this is more educational than reading any drum forum will ever be.

exerpt from Pearl Drummers Forum -

"hey dude check this 5 over 4 polyrythm by Vinnie Coliauta"

"cool, im gonna try that at my next pub rock covers band practice!"
 
He is set in his way: he almost never practices by himself or to a metronome. In fact, I don't think he ever practiced by himself.

Imagine how crappy a whole band of people like that would sound?

But he has raw talent.
So does my dog.

Face it, He's a narcissist and only thinks about himself and needs his brother's support to remain in the band. Obviously they are aware of the problem but choose to ignore it because they think they have power and control (rehearsal space, etc.)

As I said, his playing during shows is impeccable (most of the time)

Is the guy on drugs or something?

So at rehearsal (in private) it seems that playing drums the way he does is some kind of anxiety reduction technique. He pounds away as loud as possible, not concentrating on the music, loosing time, funky fills, etc. ***?

Yet, at gigs(in public), when strangers are listening/watching, he changes his behavior and conforms his playing so he won't make (or a least reduces) mistakes and so he won't "look" stupid. His probably like that in his non-band life? Does he have on-going problems that never seem to get resolved?

IME, the serious deviation between private and public behavior indicates some serious emotional issues. His brother knows it and protects his position in the band. No other band would have him just by himself.

I like the idea of video taping a rehearsal and reviewing it. Don't expect anything by resistance and defensiveness. The guy is stuck in his ways.

Given that, I would still lay it all out just on the off chance the guitar player can talk some sense into his brother.

If you stick with the band, put up some double thick sound board around the drums and it will reduce the volume substantially, maybe enough to make the rehearsals livable.
 
Stumbo, somebody ressucitated this thread from the grave recently. It is not relevant anymore since I have one gig left to do with this band and then I'll be outta there (in two weeks). I gave them plenty of warnings and last practice escalated into a verbal argument between me and him. It was probably all my fault (I basically told him he sucked) but damn did it feel good. No need to act like a pro when you have this clown calling himself a musician.

It's the first time I want a gig to be over with and it saddens me. If this group of guys got their **** together, they would be awesome. Now they'll be back at square one: searching for a bassist that does most of the singing and practicing in the basement. I long for the days when I was only the "bass guy" and only served as a gun for hire... Very rarely did I encounter band drama back then. Now, it is every freaking week.
 
I'm about to throw the towel here, seriously. I've worked with stuborn or plain old slow in the head musicians in the past, but this is taking it to a new level. The drummer in my band is making me CRAZY for several reasons, but what really pushes me over the edge is that he has no concept of dynamics or geling with the others while having crazy coordination and talent.

Exhibit A: He will play as loud as possible for the whole song and just pound away even harder on the bridge, making him lose his focus/rythmn. This means that practice volume is usually on the insane side of things and rehearsing should be done at low volume so kinks and problems can be worked out, imho.

Exhibit B: He never knows where or how to come on time in transitions, unless we spell out to him where to come in. Never. On a standard 4/4 rock number, he'll come in with some crazy syncopated crash ride while all that is necessary is one hit per beat on the tom... I don't even play drums but I showed him how to do it last practice and it sounded ace...

I've tried every approach: coaxing him into playing softer and listening to the others, having him count out loud, playing to a click, etc. It just doesn't work. This guy has been in exactly ONE band (the band I'm into right now) and he's a founding member while I'm not so it's touchy. He is set in his way: he almost never practices by himself or to a metronome. In fact, I don't think he ever practiced by himself. But he has raw talent. He has flair when he gets his game togheter and listens, but that happens on a random basis and during shows. It's just that he doesn't realize how awesome he sounds when he actually contributes to the song instead of trying to ouverrun all of us...

Any suggestions ?

doesent sound like hes talented to me. talent is not the crazy rockstar playing a million notes, real fast. talent is the one who can take a stick and hit it on the ground and make it sound funky.

just quit, he obviously isint worth your time.
 
Stumbo, somebody ressucitated this thread from the grave recently.
It's still entertaining. It might even be instructional to some.

I gave them plenty of warnings and last practice escalated into a verbal argument between me and him. It was probably all my fault (I basically told him he sucked) but damn did it feel good. No need to act like a pro when you have this clown calling himself a musician.

I still would have gone with the video taping/recording of rehearsal/gig and let the drummer account for himself. Then I would have given my notice and gone on from there. Now you're the bad guy (to them). Probably doesn't matter, but you never know what the future may bring.

Good luck.
 
I have stated my concerns to them about 10 times in the past 3 months and gave my notice in August. I'm hardly the bad guy. They were warned to man up and hit the woodshed or I would quit. They have no one to blame but themselves.