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"Punk Is Dead"

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GodPlayedBass said:
In light of the current state of the world, i can see why people say punk is dead. You see we have this generation of people calling themselves punk, but they do everything that is NOT punk. An example would be following orders from authority. I firmly believe that you cannot do both and expect your material to ever come out sounding like real punk rock. Lets argue.
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Most Punk Rockers I know are out-casts, they feel abandoned by society, stereotyped against. They live outside the mainstream of a capitalist society
The music and lyrics of Punk is a way for them to identify with people like themselves and they cling to it because they have something to relate to and identify with.
It doesn't have anything to do with being a criminal and breaking the law
Punk will always live
 
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I’m 48 years old and I have been completely, irrevocably immersed in the punk and hardcore scene for 35 years. It’s not for everybody, and there are a lot of people who like to generalize and disparage the music and the fans and the culture, but what are you gonna do?

Here is the first song off the first punk album I ever bought. I challenge anyone to deny that this is a masterpiece of rock and roll.

 
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Helix said:
Most Punk Rockers I know are out-casts, they feel abandoned by society, stereotyped against. They live outside the mainstream of a capitalist society
The music and lyrics of Punk is a way for them to identify with people like themselves and they cling to it because they have something to relate to and identify with.
It doesn't have anything to do with being a criminal and breaking the law
Punk will always live
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A lot of people like to focus on superficial aspects and obnoxious stereotypes of the culture without understanding that they are talking about a vast, self-contained subculture where many people find an opportunity to make a success of themselves using nothing more than their wits and instinct and drive. It’s an incredible microcosm.
 
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I used to hang with some big (relatively speaking) Vancouver punk musicians, back around 1990 through 92/93.

Great times - some of the most down to earth, cool folks I've ever met. Members of (and one spouse of a member of) DOA, for example. Also some well known ska musicians (which was pretty punk in it's day)... like Benny from Benny and the Sunders.

Great days in my life - interestingly enough, it started when I met one of them at music school.

Seriously.

So was punk then even "real" punk? You bet it was!

But the guy who exemplified it was, probably, truly, our favorite bassists from the sex pistols.... he was so anti-establishment that he couldn't even agree with following the punk "rules" that were defined by his bandmates - and in the end it destroyed his and his wife's lives.

That is some folk's idea of true punk. But in reality it was just extremely anti establishment.

At least that's how it looked to me when I was not personally doing anything punk, just hanging with them.
 
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buldog5151bass said:
I think most people who themselves "punk" were always posers. A bad haircut, a spiked leather jacket, and a sullen facial expression is most of what you have always seen. People who don't follow authority are called convicts.
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No, people in prison are called "Convicts." "Punks" are people who get raped by convicts. People who dont follow authority are called "Activists."
 
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buldog5151bass said:
I think most people who themselves "punk" were always posers. A bad haircut, a spiked leather jacket, and a sullen facial expression is most of what you have always seen. People who don't follow authority are called convicts.
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#38
Punk can be "dead" in that no one is really ADDING to the ways it can be defined, or how it evolves, but that doesn't detract from it's meaning or significance.

If you think of the different genres like languages it can be helpful. I think of The Blues like Latin. Latin is a dead language, but its contribution to living, evolving languages is incalculable. And without The Blues you can't have all the musical offshoots that followed, but no one asks "are the blues dead" because of course they are - or it is. No one is adding to the vocabulary of the blues, but that doesn't render it invalid. Far from it.
 
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Some of the best collections of prose ever penned to page can be found on cassette tapes, probably in a shoebox in my parent's attic. Who can forget My Old Man's a Fatso by Angry Samoans? I think we all cried a little the first time we heard that line "he's got a potbelly for a mouth, yeah my old man's a fatso but you know he owns this house". People, you can still feel it. This is basically tears of adolescence poured onto parchment. Beautiful.

But on a less serious note, you can still find Maximum RocknRoll radio shows archived going back to about '81.

Here's the dressy old guy thingy; I LOVE (LOVE LOVE) Makaya McCraven but after an hour or so of really talented, brilliant musicians playing totally the wrong notes, seemingly unaware of their bandmates in the same room, it's nice to unwind with some really untalented nitwits playing the wrong notes with the emotional control of a freight train because that's all they know. Not Dead.
 
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