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Question about mankind.

We humans have invented something called "civilization" which insulates us from our environment. It protects us from the usual limits that all other animals live under.

Living in constructed homes means that not only have we eliminated most of our natural predators, but we can thrive in environments that were too harsh for our ancestors to survive in.

With the use of mass agriculture, we're no longer vulnerable to the amount of food that can be hunted and gathered from the local environment.

With modern medicine, we've even found ways to keep alive many individuals who would, for genetic reasons or through the accident of fate, otherwise not have survived.


There are now 7 billion people on the planet. If our civilization disappeared today, then about 6.5 billion would be dead within a year. Our survival depends on our maintaining an increasingly complex, technology based society. This necessarily consumes a lot of energy (which is mostly fossil fuel based) and has a huge impact on our environment. Our need to maintain our civilization means that most of our time and effort is spent on doing our individual parts to keep the whole thing functioning. This is the basis for our economy and it explains why we use money as a tool to keep track of how valuable everything is to maintaining our civilization. We have governments to maintain some kind of order in our economies.

We certainly didn't plan this as a species. We are truly nothing more and nothing less than an ape that has figured out how to wear clothes and how to play with fire. That was the first step in isolating us from nature and once we started on that path, there was no turning back.
 
We do live in nature. It just happens that we have the capacity to shape things the way we want (or inadvertently, the way we don't want), but it's all natural. Nothing, including us, is outside of nature.

I look at humans a different way. The fact that there is life on earth and likely elsewhere, makes the universe a living, self-aware thing. We are an instrument of its introspection, probing far into its vast expanses and deep into its infinitesimal structure. Then we wonder about it.

We are the universe looking at itself. Nature has found a way for an organism to magnify its observational powers by innovation (all this by the scientists you abhor), from the most powerful telescopes and deep-space imagers at different wavelengths to the most powerful electron microscopes and high-energy colliders and detectors.

I know that's not what you're looking for, so I'd suggest Buddhism for you.
 
We do live in nature. It just happens that we have the capacity to shape things the way we want (or inadvertently, the way we don't want), but it's all natural. Nothing, including us, is outside of nature.

I look at humans a different way. The fact that there is life on earth and likely elsewhere, makes the universe a living, self-aware thing. We are an instrument of its introspection, probing far into its vast expanses and deep into its infinitesimal structure. Then we wonder about it.

We are the universe looking at itself. Nature has found a way for an organism to magnify its observational powers by innovation (all this by the scientists you abhor), from the most powerful telescopes and deep-space imagers at different wavelengths to the most powerful electron microscopes and high-energy colliders and detectors.

I know that's not what you're looking for, so I'd suggest Buddhism for you.

“You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.”

― Alan Wilson Watts
 
We do live in nature. It just happens that we have the capacity to shape things the way we want (or inadvertently, the way we don't want), but it's all natural. Nothing, including us, is outside of nature.

I look at humans a different way. The fact that there is life on earth and likely elsewhere, makes the universe a living, self-aware thing. We are an instrument of its introspection, probing far into its vast expanses and deep into its infinitesimal structure. Then we wonder about it.

We are the universe looking at itself. Nature has found a way for an organism to magnify its observational powers by innovation (all this by the scientists you abhor), from the most powerful telescopes and deep-space imagers at different wavelengths to the most powerful electron microscopes and high-energy colliders and detectors.

I know that's not what you're looking for, so I'd suggest Buddhism for you.

If life exists on other celestial bodies, it's not a matter of the universe being sentient, it's more similar to moss colonies living on two different rocks, with paths that haven't crossed. Scientifically, the Earth is a collection of systems that correct themselves, periodically. It hasn't reached the point of needing to correct humans out of existence yet, but if it reaches that point, there's not a thing we can do about it. Well, we may be able to leave the planet by that time but if we stay, we'll die, and the Earth doesn't care.
 
If life exists on other celestial bodies, it's not a matter of the universe being sentient, it's more similar to moss colonies living on two different rocks, with paths that haven't crossed. Scientifically, the Earth is a collection of systems that correct themselves, periodically. It hasn't reached the point of needing to correct humans out of existence yet, but if it reaches that point, there's not a thing we can do about it. Well, we may be able to leave the planet by that time but if we stay, we'll die, and the Earth doesn't care.

The idea is that we exist within, and are therefore a part, of the universe. The universe is by definition everything we can know to exist.
 
Inspired by the climate damage thread.....

Why can't mankind live within nature. Why does he harm the environment unlike any other creature on the planet? I know some will correctly say it's our intelligence but then why has nature spawned a being that can do what we do in the first place?

Was this an accident of nature? Is it just un natural? Is there a larger plan by mother nature? What are your feelings and insights into this topic?

Nature hasn't "spawned" us and existence is not an accident. Man is special and the universe was made for us. We're doing (for the most part) what we're supposed to be doing, which is "more good than harm," albeit sometimes making a mess of things. But don't worry, armies of greenies are spending your great-geat-grandchildren's paychecks to close the hole in the ozone layer...
 
Nature hasn't "spawned" us and existence is not an accident. Man is special and the universe was made for us. We're doing (for the most part) what we're supposed to be doing, which is "more good than harm," albeit sometimes making a mess of things. But don't worry, armies of greenies are spending your great-geat-grandchildren's paychecks to close the hole in the ozone layer...


In your opinion.
 
Why yes, people do exist who have the sense to understand that chaos, destruction, and failure are the results of accidents, while function, order, and purpose are the results of design.

What astonishes me is that people exist who can think the opposite...
 
Why yes, people do exist who have the sense to understand that chaos, destruction, and failure are the results of accidents, while function, order, and purpose are the results of design.



What astonishes me is that people exist who can think the opposite...


It's a good job then that those who decide what science curriculum our children follow explicitly state that 'Intelligent Design' is laughed out of town.
 
Why yes, people do exist who have the sense to understand that chaos, destruction, and failure are the results of accidents, while function, order, and purpose are the results of design.

What astonishes me is that people exist who can think the opposite...

I have refrained from making this type of comment in this thread, only stating that my earlier observations were "logical", eluding to the fact that I believe quite differently.

Like I said earlier, my feeling is that there is more to it than mere chance. And I do agree with Chris' last sentence.