Ok, so catching the thread of the thread, that's as not psycho Tom Jones, but the real Tom Jones looking *way more intense* than any other photo I've ever seen of him? That is very cool!
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Rant about music snobs, open mic nite content
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I was once at a multi-band thing, and had brought my 5-string. The next band didn't have a bassist, and after a few songs one of the guitarists thought it would be fun to play bass (and he wasn't some amateur, this guy can play bass).
So he takes my five string and begins playing, but was confused because it didn't sound right. So while playing, this guy begins to re-tune my bass.
Apparently he didn't realize it had five strings...
(fortunately, someone caught on this was happening and stopped him)
This was my original point. But I'm reaall bad at making points and leave things out. So, I agree
I agree with both of you, It is useful to know. Though because of personal experience I always get a bitter taste when saying the word "Theory". I'm not saying everyone's the same, Just that the majority of people I've met have been D***s about it to me :/
I work for and alongside a lot of people who are the best in the world at what they do, are well known and paid even better than rock stars. You will never see them talking down to others or being critical of anyone despite having every opportunity to do so.
I also see a lot of people who wished they made it just the same but never got anywhere close, they are often chock full of good advice for you. They know exactly how things should be done and will freely tap your shoulder and offer their services to you. It is for your own benefit listen up after all...
I also see a lot of people who wished they made it just the same but never got anywhere close, they are often chock full of good advice for you. They know exactly how things should be done and will freely tap your shoulder and offer their services to you. It is for your own benefit listen up after all...
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Yes, you were more than patient.
"OK man, show me where the F# is on your guitar".
"Now show me all the other F#'s on your guitar".
"Right, and this bass has F#'s here, here, here, here, and here..."
"OK man, show me where the F# is on your guitar".
"Now show me all the other F#'s on your guitar".
"Right, and this bass has F#'s here, here, here, here, and here..."
On some guitar discussion forum somewhere, a guitard is talking about the dumb@$$ bass player who wouldn't know an F# from a hole in the ground if it had a ribbon on it, and all his guitard friends are agreeing with him.
Cue the quote stating that:
'you can't argue with an idiot, he'll only drag you down to his level and win with experience'.
'you can't argue with an idiot, he'll only drag you down to his level and win with experience'.
For me, I'm not a very technical person. So I don't mind if someone has to dumb down something they're saying to me. For example Rather than saying the name of a note, just tell me the name of the string and the name of the fret and it'll make it easier for both of us. I know that for me personally and friends of mine who think in a simalr way we're not insulted if someone has to dumb something down for us. Our guitarist and I have had simial situations where someone will be going into detail about something and we just give a blank stare. We're also sitll young so some of that knowledge may come later. One example was in the studio one of the people helping us told our guitarist "Play an Arpegio" He plays again "no that's not it, an Arpegio" He plays another take. "Ok, nevermind just do what you do" He plays an arpegio. It would have been a lot easier to explain by explaining what an arpegio was before. (It's where you play a scale, but you skip one note and instead play every other note of the scale right?)
Simial...that's a new one, LOL.
No, an arpeggio is a chord, played one note at a time, either up or down, like a scale. That's about as "layman" as I could put it, off the top of my head.
Get the technical thing out of the way, and learn some theory. With so many resources available online, there really is no excuse not to. Learn the language of music at a level beyond mere rudimentary. The dividends will be large.
No, an arpeggio is a chord, played one note at a time, either up or down, like a scale. That's about as "layman" as I could put it, off the top of my head.
Get the technical thing out of the way, and learn some theory. With so many resources available online, there really is no excuse not to. Learn the language of music at a level beyond mere rudimentary. The dividends will be large.
And it would have been a LOT easier if you knew basic theory so that you were fluent in the language of music. Come on ... learning the names of the notes you are playing is about as basic as gets. If you don't do at least that much, you are going to continue to put yourself in situations where you waste your own time as well as the time of others.
Haha I play almost exclusively fretless nowadays. Within the past few months we hired a new keyboard player. My main instrument is an unlined 6 string. He was always kind of amazed that I could play the correct notes... Even said something like, "You must just be guessing half the time!"
Too true, thats why I felt I had to tell my story here.
At least us and the guitarists can agree on one thing... the bass is what makes the ladies loins tingle.
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Music is a gift for all of us to enjoy. Don't sweat the small stuff or small people. No one, even Music School Students or Grads have proprietary rights to it. You should have told him where to go. But in the end you showed you had more class than he.
Haha I play almost exclusively fretless nowadays. Within the past few months we hired a new keyboard player. My main instrument is an unlined 6 string. He was always kind of amazed that I could play the correct notes... Even said something like, "You must just be guessing half the time!"
That's about what I'd expect from someone who plays an instrument where there's only one place you can play each unique pitch frequency.
seems like you could have ended the whole conflict by just saying "hey I'm playing a five string"
I once got invited to a private weekly "jam" by the owner of the loft where it took place. I came with my drummer.
Well it was pretty late after midnight and no one really said anything about playing, so my drummer sits at the drums and I plug in the bass and ask a dude with a guitar if he wanted to play with us. Well the room went silent like an E F Hutton commercial.
A apparently we broke protocol because the bass player there had a regular core group of guys and he likes to call the shots. And you only get to play if he picks you.
Ok, my bad, I didn't follow the rules that the owner of the loft failed to explain, but I have to be chosen to play music at a jam I was invited to?
So I said hey, we can wait but since we are all set up and no one else seems interested in playing, can we play a little? The guitarist says sheepishly OK what do you want to play? And I said why don't we jam a little and see how it sounds?
Well the bass player maniac explodes and runs over to the mic and yells "Jam!?!? We don't 'jam' here man! We are REAL musicians, we play songs!".
I unplugged and my drummer threw down his sticks. I said "maybe next time". The bass god says "jam. F@#$*n losers" into the mic.
Where they then launched into a Billy Squire song.
We left and jammed with Hiram Bullock at a small bar in hells kitchen. Made up the whole darn set too.
Well it was pretty late after midnight and no one really said anything about playing, so my drummer sits at the drums and I plug in the bass and ask a dude with a guitar if he wanted to play with us. Well the room went silent like an E F Hutton commercial.
A apparently we broke protocol because the bass player there had a regular core group of guys and he likes to call the shots. And you only get to play if he picks you.
Ok, my bad, I didn't follow the rules that the owner of the loft failed to explain, but I have to be chosen to play music at a jam I was invited to?
So I said hey, we can wait but since we are all set up and no one else seems interested in playing, can we play a little? The guitarist says sheepishly OK what do you want to play? And I said why don't we jam a little and see how it sounds?
Well the bass player maniac explodes and runs over to the mic and yells "Jam!?!? We don't 'jam' here man! We are REAL musicians, we play songs!".
I unplugged and my drummer threw down his sticks. I said "maybe next time". The bass god says "jam. F@#$*n losers" into the mic.
Where they then launched into a Billy Squire song.
We left and jammed with Hiram Bullock at a small bar in hells kitchen. Made up the whole darn set too.
HaHAAA!! You know that runs both ways: A mando player in one of my groups likes to write down chord progressions for songs we play. He doesn't use a capo, so he writes them down in the key in which we are playing.
This past week, the tune was called -- can't even remember which one it was right now -- and we had a quick look-see at the cheat sheet and away we go... except for ole guitar-gus! He was not able to translate on the fly, which is something mando-man and I constantly do.
Pretty funny stuff. I wound up calling out the chords to him while playing other notes. That was a mental workout!
Um, yeah. I think that what you describe here is a pretty significant breach of jam session etiquette.
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