Febs said:
I admit it. I was young and less experienced.
But somehow I've been able to carry on!
Last people on earth I would ever want to play music with.
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Rant about music snobs, open mic nite content
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I admit it. I was young and less experienced.
But somehow I've been able to carry on!
Last people on earth I would ever want to play music with.
You should have just calmly told him that you ran out of F#'s for the night and were stuck with Gb's...and shrug as you walk away.
I admit it. I was young and less experienced.
But somehow I've been able to carry on!
Last people on earth I would ever want to play music with.
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse/defense," is what the traffic cop will tell you, before writing you the citation, even if the rule is an obscure one. The operating theory is that you had to go through driver's education, prior to getting your license.
Conversely, if the unwritten rules of a jam session are not provided along with the invitation, then the fault for the faux pas lies with the organizer.
I agree with you, but I do falt the loft owner as well (not a musician himself, he just liked to host). He invited us and he urged us to "get things going" when people were sitting around waiting for music.plankspanker13 said:
But I was indeed ignorant of the protocol. Every other jam I ever attended was so much looser and less hierarchical.
Oh well.
Not necessarily. Some laws are written such that you only break them if you INTENDED to break them. Intention presupposes knowledge of the law in the first place.
I agree that the inviter should have made the rules clear and the fault is his for not doing so.
Haha I play almost exclusively fretless nowadays. Within the past few months we hired a new keyboard player. My main instrument is an unlined 6 string. He was always kind of amazed that I could play the correct notes... Even said something like, "You must just be guessing half the time!"
HAHA! I play an unlined fretless 5. But I had started on 4 string fretted. When I went fretless I bought a 4 string with lines on the fingerboard (because they didnt have that particular model without lines). Thats definitely helped me learn fretless without being way off. Going unlined was a breeze, even while adding that B string.
And I understan it's helpful, but this goes back to my original point, about everyone I talk to has some sort of attitude about it. Maybe you're trying to help I get it, you honestly weren't as big of a d**** to me as you could have been.
The way I see it it's like getting pissed at a forign person for not being able to speak great english.... Sure It's important that they learn to speak it if they live in an english speaking country, but seriously having an attitude about it won't make them understand it any easier
I have no tolerance for that kind of idiocy, especially on an open mic night, and the second he started yelling at me, I'd have stopped playing and walked off mid-song, and I'd have probably given him the finger as I walked off. I think the comment "asshat with no ears" is accurate.
Let me ask you this: why don't you know the names of the notes on your instrument?
WHY is there so much hostility in this thread? People telling other people off for not knowing enough theory or walking off stage and flipping someone the bird...we play music to make people feel GOOD!
Now, I probably would get impatient if someone kept telling me I was playing the wrong note, too! But I'd explain it to him, probably mid song when he was yelling F# - "it IS F sharp dude, lissen!" and then if he kept on saying dumb stuff I probably just would avoid playing with him. But someone has already told me here that I'm a barefoot hippie freak so maybe that's just the flower child in me!
I like the enharmonic equivalence joke btw - "I'm all out of F#, only have Gb" - that's funny!
Now, I probably would get impatient if someone kept telling me I was playing the wrong note, too! But I'd explain it to him, probably mid song when he was yelling F# - "it IS F sharp dude, lissen!" and then if he kept on saying dumb stuff I probably just would avoid playing with him. But someone has already told me here that I'm a barefoot hippie freak so maybe that's just the flower child in me!
I like the enharmonic equivalence joke btw - "I'm all out of F#, only have Gb" - that's funny!
Music is a language unto itself. The greater your vocabulary and understanding, the greater your ability to express yourself within the idiom, and the greater your ability to communicate with other musicians, particularly in collaborative efforts (which all ensembles are, even jam sessions). Not learning sufficient theory is akin to tying to communicate by gestures alone; not always effective.
EADG there you go. I've managed to learn the names of the strings thank you very much and that knowledged was gained by playing bass, happy? Now I guess if you want a reason why I don't know all the technicalities? it's because of the bitter taste I get from jerks like you and your high horses. I've been playing for at least 3 and a half to almost 4 years now, and while that's probably less than than a huge majority of the poeple on this forum. I still consider it enough to consider myself at least decent if anything. Yes I'm a kid, yes I'm not even of Legal drinking age in the Us, yes I'm not even 20 yet. Call it luck if you want, but I've hurt for my music, I've bled for my music. All my finger tips are callused and the the right hand I've even got calluses forming at the base of my fingernails. I don't give a damn about what you think about my lack of Theory, but I'm sick and tired of every person trying to act like they're god's gift to music just becaus they know a bit of theory.
Ahh, I really like this analogy, and I do completely agree: you will not find one musician who will ever say, "man, I really regret learning all that music theory."
Just relax, we don't ask you to know what a myxolidic or phrygian scale is, do we? But knowing the notes on your fretboard is a big help and it will help you get from decent to better than decent. At your age, I knew the notes of my fretboard and had some knowledge of very basic musical theory; it helped a lot to analyse things, and also in a band environment. (And also; I was of Legal drinking age, thank god I live on the old continent
). I'm not questioning you're abilities on bass, but I (and I think the others as well) think that you can improve a lot by knowing your fretboard. 
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Don't worry. You will grow up one day and then you will understand what these people were trying to tell you, and how it was just gentle advice.
Meanwhile try to grow some thicker skin, sounds like you Are going to need it with your lovely attitude, geez. :lol:
Just relax, we don't ask you to know what a myxolidic or phrygian scale is, do we? But knowing the notes on your fretboard is a big help and it will help you get from decent to better than decent. At your age, I knew the notes of my fretboard and had some knowledge of very basic musical theory; it helped a lot to analyse things, and also in a band environment. (And also; I was of Legal drinking age, thank god I live on the old continent
Yeah, sorry about snapping, it's just through my personal experience I've had the misfortune of meeting too many musical d-bags (especially online) for that bitter taste to go away anytime soon. I guess in my mind to learn more theory would be to become like them and my stubborness. I got made fun of by the band kids in school as well as over the internet because I struggled with reading sheet music. My guitar teacher who continued to give me lessons when I switched to bass, through his lessons and techniques taught me how to play by ear and when I joined the band I'm in now I learned to play by feel and made a connection with them to where we could all eventually play off each other almost without even looking at each other. I'm farther on one side of the spectrum pushed there by my stubborness and cirtain people's attitudes :/
Mcnach: Yeah thick skin.... I'm diving head first into a career choice where my "lovely little attitude" far from the worst "attitude" I'll be exposed to. I have thick skin, there's just a nerve here and there still showing
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