Reliability of amps ?

[Ric Vice]

The counter is that you have to cut a lot more corners to be price competitive in a country where labour is dear.

There is a side issue that you learn by doing. As more stuff is made in China their skills grow. As less is made in the US their skills diminish. I think there will come a time when the US can no longer match Chinese quality.

Finger Bun,
We'll we certainly did that in Japan, I remember that Alverez, was started by St. Louis Music so they could compete directly against Gibson and Martin at a lower price point. I think Walt Kelly's pogo put it best. "We Have Seen The Enemy and It Is Us". Not you and I specifically but definitely us.
I do think that perception of quality can badly skew the facts however. Chevrolet makes (made?) a very nice new Impala in Kansas City. It got great reviews and kudos from Consumer Reports . I believe it also cost less, but guess what, no surprise really, Toyota's, Hondas, and Nissans out sold it.

 

[Aussie Player]

The counter is that you have to cut a lot more corners to be price competitive in a country where labour is dear.

There is a side issue that you learn by doing. As more stuff is made in China their skills grow. As less is made in the US their skills diminish. I think there will come a time when the US can no longer match Chinese quality.

Reality Check.
The US has been living in a bubble for the last 30 years as the Asian market has been taking over manufacturing tasks for a great many industries. There is uproar for the lost jobs to China but it is the beginning of a non reverseable process that is already complete in most other 1st world countries.

Get used to it. A human hand is a human hand. A particualr birth certificate attached to it is neither grounds for praise nor condemnation. When it comes to quality, it is all about processes and auditing for non conpliance and applying corrective action. That is quality, not a biased MIA stamp of approval to everything you want to be MIA.

 

[f.c.geil]

Reality Check.
The US has been living in a bubble for the last 30 years as the Asian market has been taking over manufacturing tasks for a great many industries. There is uproar for the lost jobs to China but it is the beginning of a non reverseable process that is already complete in most other 1st world countries.

Get used to it. A human hand is a human hand. A particualr birth certificate attached to it is neither grounds for praise nor condemnation. When it comes to quality, it is all about processes and auditing for non conpliance and applying corrective action. That is quality, not a biased MIA stamp of approval to everything you want to be MIA.

Reality check: the above is a distortion, at best.

Non-reversible process??? Complete in most other first world countries??? Hmm, so Germany can no longer compete in engineering quality? Asia has never been technologically superior to Western nations (let's not forget that Asia invented gunpowder, firearms, had the finest textiles and civil engineering in the world until only a couple hundred years ago)??? This is a cycle, and will be repeated.

Yes, a hand is a hand. Yes, Asian hands are just as capable as caucasian ones (how about Maori? Are they capable?). However, Chinese quality control is darned near nonexistent, and the Chinese mindset is that they are better than everyone else, and whatever they do, we will just accept it. This is not conducive to high quality output. It does not matter what one's nationality is, too true, but the fact is that Chinese quality control is not yet up to American standards.

 

[B-string]

So what is the take on a US company building, maintaining, staffing and applying US based QC in an off shore site like China? Not contracting a China or whoever third party manufacture house, but owning and directly controlling their own factory. Not shipping any existing jobs off overseas, but hiring in the country they built in?

 

[Aussie Player]

TEK,
Living in a bubble includes thinking the US is the only country that can produce a quality product. Have you not heard of ISO 9001?
It has way over 1 Million signatories in something like 74 countries now. "Quality" is neither an American invention. nor does it have a motgage on it. If American quality was anything to brag about on a global scale, the other 73 countries wouldn't rely on ISO.

My profession is the implementation of ISO 9001 and after gaining several certifications in the US including holding several world records for my specialist industry, you have a lot to learn about the subject matter of quality which has no basis on race, only on people.

Also, you cannot criticize another country for thinking they are better than everyone else when that is your own line of thinking. American quality is a bias in many instances starting with cars. Ever notice how the people who can afford any level of quality don't drive Cadillac's?