Originally posted by christos
O.K. lay off the Harley's......They just so happen to be the best machine ever built.....There is no reason to argue with me on this point, because as open minded that I am, when it comes to this topic, I am as thick in the head as a bull is in the ass....... nuff said.........
Nuff said? Not even close!

If Harley had as many engineers as they did Marketing Execs., I might agree with you. Most recognizable name in Motorcycling? Yes. An American Icon? Yes. Highly-appealing works of two-wheeled art? Yes. But best machine ever built? Sorry, Charlie.
I will qualify and say that the verdict is still out on the TC88b mill. For all indications, it is definitely the best engine (at least from a engineering POV) HD has ever produced. Since the engine is only 2 1/2 years old, remarks can't be made about its longevity for some time to come. But with their high power-output, low failure-rate, and great techno-enhancements like EFI, counterbalancing, and onboard diagnostic software, things are definitely looking good for it and HD's rep as a maker of 21st century motorcycles.
But Harley's 20th century engines, like the EVO and Shovelhead, aren't as well built. With low power-output, needing to be rebuilt every 35k-40k miles, leaking oil like an SOB, overheating at the drop of a hat, these were all common traits of those mills. Let's be real, HDs are a lot of things, but best machine ever built? Come on!
There are late 80's model Viragos out there that are STILL running, with 200k on the odo with the original jugs and pistons intact. Yes, they're ugly motherscratchers, but they are exceedingly well-built machines that outperform and outlast their HD competitors of that era.
Don't get me wrong, I really do like Harleys; I'd love to have an FXDWG in my garage, parked next to my Road Star, to use as a springboard for building a radical-custom, show-bike. They are very appealing machines with a weath of aftermarket items you can buy to hot them up and trick them out. But I don't, for a second, buy into that knee-jerk, "buy American" (newer HDs aren't any more American than Hondas or Kawasakis), and the, "There is no motorcycle but Harley," jingoistic crap.
Anyway, when it comes down to it, all that really matters is THAT you ride. That dead horse aside . . . do you ride, and if so, what?