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Double Bass Revolution SOLO Pickup Reviews

bassmonkey144 said:
would anybody recomend a certain preamp for the solo? I have one, and through certain amps, it sounds wonderful. I was recently at Purdue with my highschool jazz band, and in the warmup room they gave us, there was a GK for the bass player to use. I plugged in and it sounded spectacular, although i had to turn it up a lot. On my schools SWR, I have to turn up a lot, and no amount of EQing can get close to what i got with the GK. I'm assuming it's b/c the onboard preamp for the amplifiers were different. So, I need a preamp, but I'm not sure what to get. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Keep in mind that the RS Solo, like any piezo, should look into an impedance of at least 1 M-ohm. I don't know what is the input Z of the SWR (anybody ?). If it does not have a Hi-Z input, that would explain your undesirable result. Assuming the lack of a HI-Z input is your problem, the Fishman pre-amps, the GigPro, or any of several others should do the trick. You might even try fdeck's DIY curcuit. If the lack of a HI-Z input is NOT your problem, it's not clear that you'll achieve a satisfactory result even with a pre-amp.
 
well, I recently ordered a tech21 bass driver for other purposes (small funk oriented combo), and it said on Tech 21's site that it could be used as a preamp.

In relation to the blend knob:
"allows you to mix the direct bass signal with SansAmp Tube Amplifier Emulation circuitry (which is particularly useful for basses equipped with piezo pickups)."

So I'm assuming it will work, to a point. I'll give it a try when it gets in, and if it doesnt work, then I'll go out and buy a preamp.
 
I thought I'd add my $.02 since I see a lot of folks who love the RS and a lot of folks who have not had success with it.

I've tried my RS through three different amps. Through one of them, it sounds incredible. Definitely my bass but louder. Through the other two, it was just ok.

I have not really explored any technical reasons, other than I can say that the more powerful the amp, the better it sounded. The amp that made it sound great was a SWR SM900, then the AI Focus was not as good but decent, then through my SWR Baby Blue it sounds so-so. I used the same cabinet with the three different heads, by the way.

That may help explain why some guys love it while others...not so much.
 
I'm using one through a Tech 21 Sans Amp then into an Eden WT800 and I can't get the damn thing loud enough. My amp is turned up ALOT louder than I ever played my electric. It seems that when I turn it up to the point of it being loud enough it want's to take off on me. I'm going to try not using my 410 cab w/horn and just use a 115 cab turned sideways. I did run a line out to the PA and that helped. Anyone else get around this kind of problem?
 
grooveguru, I don't know if I got around the "low" (relative) output level issue exactly, but eventually I think I just got used to using higher settings on my preamp level and main power amp level than the settings I used previously with a K&K Bass Max.

For example, with the SOLO going straight into a 200 watt EA Wizzy combo, I have the preamp dial open all the way, and I run the master volume between 6 and 8, depending mostly on the sensitivity (volume wise) of the people I'm playing with. Even then, it's not startlingly loud. But I don't wanna be actually.

I used to worry about running the amp settings higher than before, but that (needless?) anxiety has worn off for the most part. It works and sounds fine.

No question that the SansAmp should certainly provide more than enough boost.

I will say that as I went through several rounds of experimentation with placement and fit (i.e. snugness), the volume and fullness goes up quite noticably when I get the p/u in a sweet spot.

P.S. I dig your avatar.
 
bassmonkey144 said:
well, I recently ordered a tech21 bass driver for other purposes (small funk oriented combo), and it said on Tech 21's site that it could be used as a preamp.

In relation to the blend knob:
"allows you to mix the direct bass signal with SansAmp Tube Amplifier Emulation circuitry (which is particularly useful for basses equipped with piezo pickups)."

So I'm assuming it will work, to a point. I'll give it a try when it gets in, and if it doesnt work, then I'll go out and buy a preamp.
bassmonkey144, you're right, the SansAmp Bass Driver should work as a preamp. IMO, it's great for slab if you like a thicker "vintage" type sound, or if you want to experiment with an overdrive type effect.

One comment re: the blend knob and the fake tubes on upright though. I think many double bass players strive for an "accurate" sound when amplified. The tube emulation circuitry in the SansAmp may not exactly shape your sound in that direction however.

I am guessing that what the Tech 21 folks meant was that the tube simulation effect is probably pretty effective at taming the piezo honk that is often associated with older piezo p/u's. IME, the Rev SOLO does not generate very much of that piezo quack, so you don't need to be preoccupied with taming it.

So you may want to start your experimenting with the "tubes" disengaged ... That is, with the blend knob fully counterclockwise.

Of course, the blend knob may have a desirable effect for you, so I am not saying don't ever use it with upright. Definitely check it out, and find out what works best for you.

Just my two cents.
 
It's incredible to me how long this thread is, and how much space on this site is devoted to pickup/preamp/amp discussion.

My feeling is this: If a product is really good it will require very little dicking around with to make it work well. In my opinion good pickup design for URB includes straightforward installation, stability once installed, output volume and tone good enough not to need special preamps to work well, ability to stand up to abuse from travel, and a reasonable degree of uniformity from bass to bass. Anything less, to me, is an inferior product that doesn't really meet my needs.

That said, my needs may not be yours. I travel a lot, and even just gigging hard around NYC provides more than the average wear and tear. A bass wheel I was happy with in Seattle proved to be completely inadequate in NYC. If the conditions you operate in are way kinder than mine you might find it's no big deal to have a pickup that needs a lot of babying. It's a big deal to me.

The bass is an incredibly difficult instrument to amplify well. It's a leakage machine, a feedback machine, and its range of sounds and techinques vary by a drastic amount. Players' varying tastes, and the greatly varying sound of different basses require very different technology to accomodate.

Every time I hear a player I like I check out what they're using. Very often they are using strings, pickups, or amps I have tried and ruled out as being crap. And yet they sound great!

So, I use what works for me, not only based on sound, but on the degree to which these products give me the ability to forget about gear and just enjoy playing. My Realist probably doesn't have the hifi quality I used to enjoy with the older version of the Schertler Stat-B, but it sounds good, doesn't require any special cables or the carrying of a preamp, and is incredibly stable. My Walter Woods amp sounds really good to me, but almost as important is that it is versatile enough to handle the huge variety of music I play, in a myriad of different rooms. I don't need a preamp because it has sufficient tone, and tone-shaping abilities to meet my needs, all in one box. I spent 3 years trying to like the Acoustic Image products, and always found them lacking. Get 'em in the right room and they sound awesome. Get 'em in the wrong room and there's no rescue. I have watched several friends dick around with the Revolution pickup over and over, trying to get it right, to no avail. Their complaints are always met by enthusiasts and the manufacturer with excuses like, "it isn't installed just right," or "something's wrong with your bass bridge."

I have used SansAmps, Schertler pre's, Fishman Pro EQ Platinums, MXR and Boss graphic EQs, Demeter pre's, everything under the sun it seems, and one day I woke up and said "hello, this is insane. If I have to dick around this much, something is wrong." I sold my AI Clarus, put the Contra in a closet, retired the preamps, and got on Walter Woods' waiting list.

Since then my life has been good. I enjoy music more. I practice more. And when I sound like crap, I practice some more.
 
Reuben said:
It's incredible to me how long this thread is, and how much space on this site is devoted to pickup/preamp/amp discussion.

My feeling is this: If a product is really good it will require very little dicking around with to make it work well. In my opinion good pickup design for URB includes straightforward installation, stability once installed, output volume and tone good enough not to need special preamps to work well, ability to stand up to abuse from travel, and a reasonable degree of uniformity from bass to bass. Anything less, to me, is an inferior product that doesn't really meet my needs.

Ruben,
There was a quote several years ago, from one of the higher ups in technology that I like use from time to time. This guy said that, computers should work more like a good toaster, you put in you're favorite bread, set the temperature, and push down the lever, and presto you have a nice warm piece of delicious toast.
I think it should apply to pickups and amplifiers as well.
There is one thing though. I realize we tend to ramble on, me included, about the pros and cons of various pickups and amplifiers. On ocassion however, the threads bring something out that is really benifical to all. This summer I posted a thread on Realist falure and thanks to everyones responses, a representative from David Gage came into the thread and acknowledged a 5 year lifespan for the transducer on some basses.
So every once an awhile, we figure something out.

Ric ;)
 
Reuben said:
It's incredible to me how long this thread is, and how much space on this site is devoted to pickup/preamp/amp discussion.

My feeling is this: If a product is really good it will require very little dicking around with to make it work well.

Well, everything is a trade-off. You seem to weight the value of convenience over the desired sound more than I or, perhaps, others value it. I agree that the holy grail in pick-ups would be standardized installation, immunity to ill-effects and travel, and the ultimate in sound.

Gee, I have a Rev solo-- I never remove it, I occasionally check that it is positioned according to the one-time markings I made, it has been completely reliable, requires no pre-amp, and sounds great-- and yes, I haul my bass around quite a bit. Sure, it was a bit more difficult to install than "insert Tab A into Slot B" but for me the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

Yes, to each his own. It seems we have different requirements.
 
Hey Reuben,

Well, I certainly don't want to look like the "manufacturer with excuses like...", but I thought I would take the bullet and chime in a bit here. :)

I agree with a lot of what you say, especially the very last point. I can't tell you how many people I have seen bring their bass into our shop so that we can "make it sound better"...and then Gary grabs their bass...plays it...and they say "wow, I like your sound, I guess I just need to learn how to get that kind of sound outta it".

Henry (Double Bass Workshop) said it nicely to me one day recently...there is no one pickup or amp...there is no silver bullet...there is no holy grail.

The RS is not a plug and play pickup. To me, the best analogy is to compare it to a sound post. If you just bought a sound post and fit it quickly and put it into your bass, you would prob not be happy with the sound. Sure, some would...but a lot wouldn't. A sound post must be set at the right tension and the right position...and those two factors are not the same on every bass. A luthier may learn what is a good spot to put it in initially...but then adjusts it from there. The RS is just like this.

Now, if that is not what you are looking for, that is fine. There are plug and play pickups out there. But, for the bassist who likes to tinker...likes a little DIY...or the guy who wants more than just plug and play tone...the RS is a good choice, and at the price we put it...not a lot of dough to try. Heck...it still may not be right for them, or the bass they play. I have had customers with more than one bass say it sounded ok on one bass...but sounded like nothing else they had ever tried on the other. Would I like to figure out how to make it sound 100% on every bass 100% of the time? Yup...you bet. But...with so many basses, amps, and ears out there...I doubt I ever will.

So...why is this thread so damn long? The RS is perhaps the most sensitive pickup on the market...and it is a DIY installation on top of that. Users need some guidance along the way, and what better way to get it than from posts from your peers (and the occasional post from the manufacturer). ;)

End of the day, I just want you to be happy. The best sound is from your fingers.
 
Chris Fitzgerald said:
Bruce,

Have you tried it with your amp yet?

I have now tried it with an amp and I do like it and I think I will leave it now - the buzz was very noticable when playing at home through my mixing desk and monitor speakers - but when playing through an amp/cab and with other people, it is not audible at all - even when no music is playing and it is just normal conversation going on.

I do really feel that the pickup accurately reflects the acoustic sound I am making - so I practice acoustically every day and have a good idea of how my bass sounds, then with the pickup it's just the same sound, coming out of my EA VL208 cab. :)

I suppose this whole topic is so long and involved, as there are so many factors involved in final sound production when you are amping a DB - starting sound, how the pickup fits, is fitted, pre-amp or not, amp - solid state, tube etc. and finally cab - so I've never found anything so good as the VL208 for accurately reproducing what's put into it! :)
 
eroy said:
I agree with a lot of what you say, especially the very last point. I can't tell you how many people I have seen bring their bass into our shop so that we can "make it sound better"...and then Gary grabs their bass...plays it...and they say "wow, I like your sound, I guess I just need to learn how to get that kind of sound outta it".

Oh yeah! I think a lot of bassists aren't aware of what they sound like from several feet away, too. If some of us could really hear what we sound like we might feel a little better. Unfortunately, we stand in the worst possible place to hear ourselves: behind the instrument. When you consider that the full waveform of the open E string takes something like 20 feet or more to complete, no wonder we like hearing someone else play our bass from time to time.

eroy said:
Henry (Double Bass Workshop) said it nicely to me one day recently...there is no one pickup or amp...there is no silver bullet...there is no holy grail.

Right, and there probably never will be.

eroy said:
The RS is not a plug and play pickup. To me, the best analogy is to compare it to a sound post. If you just bought a sound post and fit it quickly and put it into your bass, you would prob not be happy with the sound. Sure, some would...but a lot wouldn't. A sound post must be set at the right tension and the right position...and those two factors are not the same on every bass. A luthier may learn what is a good spot to put it in initially...but then adjusts it from there. The RS is just like this.

I find this explanation quite reasonable, especially when you consider that even soundpost tension and position is a matter of taste to some degree. But, checking out your pickup I felt like there was a really small zone where it seemed to be working at full capacity, and then any movement out fo that zone sounded not fully engaged, or weak. I think having the ability to be tailored to individual taste is a laudable quality, but is there a point of diminishing returns?

eroy said:
Would I like to figure out how to make it sound 100% on every bass 100% of the time? Yup...you bet. But...with so many basses, amps, and ears out there...I doubt I ever will.

Sure, and I guess that's part of what I was alluding to in my earlier post as well.

eroy said:
Users need some guidance along the way, and what better way to get it than from posts from your peers (and the occasional post from the manufacturer). ;)
End of the day, I just want you to be happy. The best sound is from your fingers.

All true, and I applaud your attention to these discussions. My original post was not meant to slam your pickup as much as a mindset I think many of us (including myself, for sure) often fall into about gear.
 
eroy said:
I agree with a lot of what you say, especially the very last point. I can't tell you how many people I have seen bring their bass into our shop so that we can "make it sound better"...and then Gary grabs their bass...plays it...and they say "wow, I like your sound, I guess I just need to learn how to get that kind of sound outta it".
Yeah, I think I'm starting to agree with that assessment. The pingyness I kept complaining about on the G string I think now is actually a product of my basses natural sound with the animas. The RS brings it out so that any uneveness in the sound is now audible. Maybe the pickup is a little TOO good. :hmm:

I've waffled back and forth between the RS and an ATM35. In some ways the RS sounds better than the mike for louder situations, even if the mic is set so it doesn't feed back. At lower volumes it's like it doesn't matter which one I use almost - only that the mic does a better job of sounding transparent (i.e. my bass just sounds acoustically louder).
 
Nobody has commented on the RCA jack with an RCA to 1/4 adaptor set-up. IMHO this is not a very good design. The RCA isn't captive and prone to weakening. Adaptors are just another thing to go bad or disconnect at the wrong time. Current users - what are your experiences?
Thanks!
 
RobG said:
Nobody has commented on the RCA jack with an RCA to 1/4 adaptor set-up. IMHO this is not a very good design. The RCA isn't captive and prone to weakening. Adaptors are just another thing to go bad or disconnect at the wrong time. Current users - what are your experiences?
Thanks!

I can see where things could wear out with repeated handling, but I leave mine on the bass. Aside from plugging the 1/4" cable in and out, it does not get touched. The adapter just stays in. So no issues.

I also chose to sand the bridge wing instead of the pickup so I would not risk pulling the wire and weakening it, etc. The Solo seems just as reliable as any other design, if not more so.
 
RobG said:
Nobody has commented on the RCA jack with an RCA to 1/4 adaptor set-up. IMHO this is not a very good design. The RCA isn't captive and prone to weakening. Adaptors are just another thing to go bad or disconnect at the wrong time. Current users - what are your experiences?
Thanks!

Honestly we just copied the full circle. The original Revolution had a blender box...and the RCA "in" was a good way to have the pickups interchangable with the box without the box getting bulky. After the foot fiasko and the subsequent killing of the blender box...we kept the RCA on the RS as a lot of guys were using the FC and we thought they could use the RS interchangably. We debate now and then to just kill the RCA and go with a fixed 1/4...but then we just decide to leave well enough alone.