Richest bassist?

[Visirale]

+1000

i'm 24 and am somewhat ashamed to admit it having read some of the stuff people "my age" have said on this thread.

Oh get over yourself. I've dealt with this my entire life "OMG YOU DON'T LOVE THE BEATLES?" I appreciate the fact that other people like them and that a lot of people bought their albums. I happen to like a few of their songs quite a bit. But as a whole they don't do much for me... I'm a big hip hop fan and I'm sure a lot of you lot completely dismiss that genre... but I respect your opinion.

 

[firststringer]

For those "students" more inclined to watch rather than read.

From the BBC: Howard Goodall's 20th Century Greats - The Beatles

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Watch. Learn.

 

[SamJ]

Oh get over yourself. I've dealt with this my entire life "OMG YOU DON'T LOVE THE BEATLES?" I appreciate the fact that other people like them and that a lot of people bought their albums. I happen to like a few of their songs quite a bit. But as a whole they don't do much for me... I'm a big hip hop fan and I'm sure a lot of you lot completely dismiss that genre... but I respect your opinion.

Since you're such a fan, maybe you can help with a question.. How did we get from Earth Wind and Fire, Motown, The Commodores, and The Manhattans, et al... to Puff Daddy, and NWA as the representation of Black music and culture? Seriously..

 

[SamJ]

BTW.. while we're posting Youtube Beatles' Favs.. here is mine..

 

[Visirale]

Since you're such a fan, maybe you can help with a question.. How did we get from Earth Wind and Fire, Motown, The Commodores, and The Manhattans, et al... to Puff Daddy, and NWA as the representation of Black music and culture? Seriously..

Why do you automatically assume that I like those artists? I prefer the socially conscious artists like Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, Tribe Called Quest, and The Roots. Not all hip hop is booze, blunts, and bitches. These are the artists that mostly go unheard, but keeping hip hop alive. As KRS One recently said "This is the difference between MC’ing and rap,
Rappers spit rhymes that are mostly illegal, MC’s spit rhymes to uplift their people." Please let us avoid a "legitimacy of hip hop" debate... although I'm sure there are a few TB'ers out there who would be on my side...

Also a big fan of Earth Wind & Fire, Stevie Wonder, Jackson 5, Parliament Funkadelic, and a lot of other Motown artists...

Goodness, can we get more off topic ?

 

[pedro]

But for their music, as it pertains to my musical vision be it bass playing, song writing or otherwise? I'll take a pass. That's all I'm saying.

Fine by me. But I'd be most curious as to who you do listen to.

 

[pedro]

BTW.. while we're posting Youtube Beatles' Favs.. here is mine..

Sam thanks for posting that. I love that tune. Its yet another Beatle tune that proves what I mentioned before. When you strip their songs down to their essence they still work. There is a demo of Lennon singing 'Day in the Life' for Martin somewhere on youtube. As I recall just piano, guitar and John singing and the song was absolutely perfert 'as it'.

 

[pedro]

Goodness, can we get more off topic ?

I'm sure we can.

 

[Visirale]

Fine by me. But I'd be most curious as to who you do listen to.

Here's a quick list, by no means comprehensive.... and not in any order.

Jamiroquai, Interpol, Oasis, Radiohead, The Kooks, Ben Folds, The Shins, Sigur Ros, Dinosaur Jr., Kanye West, Wu Tang Clan, Common, Talib Kweli, Bob Marley, Modest Mouse, Ion Dissonance, Maroon 5, Stevie Wonder, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Weather Report, Jaco Pastorius, Parliament Funkadelic, Earth Wind and Fire, Jack Johnson, Weezer, Daft Punk, Justice, STS9, Blur, The Flaming Lips, Muse, Bloc Party, !!! (chk chk chk), The Strokes, The Faint, Sufjan Stevens, Simian Mobile Disco, The Roots, Lupe Fiasco, Thievery Corporation, Zero 7, Immortal Technique, Debussy, Satie, and Tchaikovsky.

And before someone points out that quite a few of these artists were very obviously directly influenced by the Beatles, spare yourself because I know. I enjoy listening to them but not playing them... I believe I gave them credit several times thus far for being good songwriters, and yes, I can appreciate that in music... just not my own personal music.

Lately I've been listening mostly to hip hop and music from the French house movement. It's the freshest stuff out there right now, IMO.

 

[Sneckumhaw]

*** is up with the beatles fanboyism in here? No one is really attempting to defend the Beatles other than saying "THEY WERE AMAZING GENIUSES."

Who is doing that? This is not fanboyism, you are far overreacting.

 

[SamJ]

Visirale, no worries, what makes this world and music so special is we're all going to have different tastes and likes.. I for one love Fender basses and wouldn't think of owning anything else, others meanwhile think of them as the Chevy of basses and wouldn't be seen with one on them.. The Beetles are sort of like a Fender... classic, influential and timeless... but not for everyone.

 

[Sneckumhaw]

That would be Sir James Paul McCartney to be exact. Ringo doesn't count people, he's definitely NOT the richest drummer out there. Is he even still drumming?, if not he'd be in the "used to be" category along with countless others.

Other than Phil Collins, he's the only name of a drummer I recall seeing on the top 20 list of richest musicians. Where do you get your "definitely NOT" from anyway?

 

[JimmyM]

You know what? you're hugely pissing me off always trying to make others think the same way you do. Maybe you're right, and they are wrong. If they don't want to hear truth, that's their problems. OTOH, if they are right and you are wrong, you're losing time and energy debating for something you have already lost. Telling that a bassist as an influence on another bassist is something very very subjective. Hell, you can only be sure someone is influenced by someone if that player tells it so (and even there, you need to separate influence with inspiration). Otherwise, you cannot, in no way, prove, meaning demonstrating without a doubt, that the player in question is influenced by someone else.

I personally don't think (this is an opinion here) that the beatles had an influence as big as people say. I think the influence thing was overhyped by the immense popularity of the band (look at how many metalheads would say Metallica had a huge influence on the metal scene, which isn't the case). Sure, they had an immense social impact and on the music scene (cultural impact), but musically speaking, I don't think they were as influential as people say.

First off, let me just say how little I care if I piss you off, but if you are really and truly pissed off, then you have a bit of a screw loose and I would suggest calming down a little.

Now, as for the Beatles, I really don't care if you like them or not. That is a matter of opinion. But to deny their huge impact on both culture and music is to deny history as it actually exists. It isn't a matter of opinion their impact on culture and music...it is a matter of public record. So to deny that impact when there is so much evidence to the contrary is..well, I can't think of anything to say that won't get me an infraction.

 

[a_ribbon]

Oh get over yourself. I've dealt with this my entire life "OMG YOU DON'T LOVE THE BEATLES?" I appreciate the fact that other people like them and that a lot of people bought their albums. I happen to like a few of their songs quite a bit. But as a whole they don't do much for me... I'm a big hip hop fan and I'm sure a lot of you lot completely dismiss that genre... but I respect your opinion.

i'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. and seeing as how most people "my age" seem content to mouth off about things that offend them [that they know soooo much "more" about, for instance] that were not directed at them at all, you've made my point many times over.

i usually don't post on here due to my lack of experience to play with the big dogs, and my lack of desire to argue about nonsense with people closer to my own age.

and as a matter of fact, it took until i was already in my 20s before i really *got* the beatles. i was always more of a metal head. and at 15 or so i would've mouthed that geezer butler was the second coming of christ.

for *me* i reached a point where i got hit by a clue by four and had to own the fact that while they weren't my favorite band ever [actually until 22 or so i didn't even like them, and avoiding them because they were ho'd more than any other band in existance] that they had undeniably the greatest cultural impact of any band, ever.

i've grown quite a bit musicially since 15, and the beatles still aren't my favorite band. but, i'm not still young enough to pretend that they aren't the most influential band in the history of music because they aren't what i listen to all the time. and in the interest of "putting my music where my mouth is" here's my last.fm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

p.s. i'm not coming back to this thread because i don't feel a need to argue something into the ground to make myself feel better about my opinions. i'm just as okay being wrong by myself.

 

[srxplayer]

paul is the only musician, bassist or otherwise, who is a billionaire.

so no one comes close.

+1

 

[JimmyM]

And to take this down a whole new demented road of pointless internet arguing, let me give you music school experts a little perspective...

I never cared for Frank Sinatra. When I was younger, I thought he was some old irrelevant lounge singer who got lucky. But as I studied the history of music, I realized just how much of an impact this old irrelevant lounge singer had on music and culture. Before he came along, big band singers were called the "boy singer" or "girl singer." They would meekly go up to the mic, sing their little song, and sit down while the band played an instrumental. The conductor was the big cheese, and the singer could have been anyone who could carry a tune because they were there to see the conductor and his band.

But Frank took over the stage like nobody before him. He had a charisma that was undeniable, and when he went up to sing his little song, you couldn't watch anything but him. It wasn't long before the singers started doing what he did and became the focus, not the conductor. And he was one of the very first high profile white singers to work with and sing songs written by black musicians, and through him, white people in America were introduced to the concept of cool that would never have heard of it otherwise, and his acceptance of them went a long way toward white America's growing acceptance of people other than themselves. So while I still think of him as a good but not great singer (I'm more of a Tony Bennett fan), there's no denying the huge musical and cultural impact the man had.

Same with the Beatles. They took all their favorite influences (including Frank Sinatra) and mixed them into a music totally unlike anything ever heard before. It had elements of all of it, but when it was poppy, it still rocked hard (for its day). Listen to huge pop acts right before the Beatles like Fabian and Bobby Rydell and see if they even came close. And they were the first band to have the musicians as personalities. In all other bands before, there was one member focused on and the rest were sidemen. But the Beatles were the first band you knew the drummer's name as readily as the lead singer's. And take a look at all the rock and pop music that's come since and you'll see a lot of roots back to the Beatles to this day. You'll see a lot of roots to Frank Sinatra, too. Sure, there are lots of other influences out there, but the hugeness of the Beatles and Frank Sinatra can't be denied, just like the influence of Duke Ellington, Nat King Cole, Chuck Berry, and the musicians of Motown can't be denied.

This little personal insight may not mean anything to you all right now, but in the future, when you decide to get past the "I don't like it so it can't be important" stage and look a little deeper into it, and you start to realize the impact the Beatles had, I hope you send me a thank-you note

 

[Visirale]

i'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. and seeing as how most people "my age" seem content to mouth off about things that offend them [that they know soooo much "more" about, for instance] that were not directed at them at all, you've made my point many times over.

i usually don't post on here due to my lack of experience to play with the big dogs, and my lack of desire to argue about nonsense with people closer to my own age.

and as a matter of fact, it took until i was already in my 20s before i really *got* the beatles. i was always more of a metal head. and at 15 or so i would've mouthed that geezer butler was the second coming of christ.

for *me* i reached a point where i got hit by a clue by four and had to own the fact that while they weren't my favorite band ever [actually until 22 or so i didn't even like them, and avoiding them because they were ho'd more than any other band in existance] that they had undeniably the greatest cultural impact of any band, ever.

i've grown quite a bit musicially since 15, and the beatles still aren't my favorite band. but, i'm not still young enough to pretend that they aren't the most influential band in the history of music because they aren't what i listen to all the time. and in the interest of "putting my music where my mouth is" here's my last.fm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

p.s. i'm not coming back to this thread because i don't feel a need to argue something into the ground to make myself feel better about my opinions. i'm just as okay being wrong by myself.

I just think you are too quick to dismiss the power of young people's opinions. We are at a much better position to change the face of music. We are at the steering wheel right now in this constantly changing music business. We are young, yes, but we are entitled to just as much of an opinion as the old folks. It's not like you get a legitimacy certificate once you turn 30 or 40, and your opinion doesn't count until then.

I don't care if you think I don't have much experience or you think you don't... the fact is we are the future of music and we can do a lot more to change it than older people. I may be 19, and I know a lot of you all discredit me for that, but I still have my own opinions and philosophies about music and most of them are more long lasting than those rebellious teenage ideas some of you are probably accrediting to me. No one got very far by accepting the status quo. I just don't think I should be criticized for having my own opinion and voicing it.

I'll argue all day about whether or not they were the biggest influence, but I will agree that they were one of the biggest. But I am completely entitled to say they are of no influence to me personally.

 

[12bass]

A couple of points..... if the artists you listen to were influenced by the Beatles, then it would seem to follow that you have been influenced by them, if only through their influence on those who followed. And as to the matter of young people changing the face of music, I suppose that's true to an extent, but what about the recording industry people who push all sorts of commercial music on the masses, driving all sorts of commercial trends? Thankfully, that commercial, commodification of music is now changing, with more and more artists going indie, and having direct relationships with their fans.

 

[Visirale]

A couple of points..... if the artists you listen to were influenced by the Beatles, then it would seem to follow that you have been influenced by them, if only through their influence on those who followed. And as to the matter of young people changing the face of music, I suppose that's true to an extent, but what about the recording industry people who push all sorts of commercial music on the masses, driving all sorts of commercial trends? Thankfully, that commercial, commodification of music is now changing, with more and more artists going indie, and having direct relationships with their fans.

Already made that point. I admit that a lot of the music I listen to was influenced by the Beatles. Hell, I even admitted to listening to the Beatles. But I said that my own personal music isn't in the tradition of the Beatles or the bands I like that were influenced by them (not too noticeably anyway).

Not all record labels are pushing the mainstream trends. My favorite labels are barely commercial at all... Indie in the sense that the music is far from mainstream, but not indie in the sense that they're still a label paying musicians and promoting their music.

And with that, I'm off to work. Have a good day guys... give me something exciting to come back to .

 

[corinpills]

Here's a quick list, by no means comprehensive.... and not in any order.

Jamiroquai, Interpol, Oasis, Radiohead, The Kooks, Ben Folds, The Shins, Sigur Ros, Dinosaur Jr., Kanye West, Wu Tang Clan, Common, Talib Kweli, Bob Marley, Modest Mouse, Ion Dissonance, Maroon 5, Stevie Wonder, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Weather Report, Jaco Pastorius, Parliament Funkadelic, Earth Wind and Fire, Jack Johnson, Weezer, Daft Punk, Justice, STS9, Blur, The Flaming Lips, Muse, Bloc Party, !!! (chk chk chk), The Strokes, The Faint, Sufjan Stevens, Simian Mobile Disco, The Roots, Lupe Fiasco, Thievery Corporation, Zero 7, Immortal Technique, Debussy, Satie, and Tchaikovsky.

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For the record, I like just about every band you listed here and absolutely adore a few of them, I think Daft Punk are absolutely amazing and anybody who likes Dinosaur J. is invited over to my place any time.

I suppose my final point on this would be that those sales figures and achievements are, in fact, related to the level of influence of McCartney and the Beatles. There are plenty of obscure players who have influenced a small number of people. Jimmy the Neck form down the block may be amazing in his mother's basement, but in the game of music there's a lot to be said for actually getting out there and spreading the goodness. Those guys spread it more than anybody else in the entire history of this thing we do. Maybe not in every specific neighborhood, but overall they caused more young people to initially pick up instruments than anybody else, and that is of major importance. This isn't speculation. In every country the Beatles conquered, back in the days of each region having it's own TV and radio series, there quickly followed an explosion of local kids starting bands. It happened in Norway and Sweden and Japan and Canada and every country they went to- including the U.S. That, coupled with the sudden availability of less expensive instruments, is their real influence.