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Rickenbacker Users: Honest thoughts on the 4001/4003?

It's such a personal thing - the binding on the body never bothered me, for others it's a deal-breaker. They don't have the nice easy finger-rest of the P- or J- pickup, but I was partly able to adapt to the floating thumb technique because of them. The neck profile is very different than a 7ender - I was able to get used to it.

I have been fortunate to own 5 in the past 22 years - 3 remain with me, a '76 4001, a '93 4003S/8, and '04 4003. The "not versatile" comment is often leveled against Rics, but these tracks are all the same bass (the '76 Autumnglo 4001):













These were recorded over almost a 20 year period under a variety of conditions with different strings, pick & fingers, it was even rewired (Nova Autumnglo) - I'm not going to say that a Rickenbacker is the bass I would bring if I needed a variety of sounds for a gig or a session, but if you love the instrument and it reveals itself as an appropriate muse for you, then it could be worth the effort!
 
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I've got one (4003). I bought it around 2016. I'll probably sell it this year.

I love how it looks.
I like how it sounds.
I understand why people complain about aspects like truss rod and bridge design.

I tried several new and used, and there was quite a variety in neck feel and sound quality. I bought blind from Wildwood and got one that felt good and played well. I did notice a bit of a dead spot around the 5th fret on the E string, which isn't a common complaint though some find the E string output lower than the other strings. I've used the stereo option a few times, but not regularly. I find the jack develops play over time and needs occasional adjustments, which are a pain to make. There aren't many options for replacement pickups, but the Nordy neck is a good one.


Overall, I'd probably be happy with it as a non-primary bass, or a primary if I was after the signature sound. I have some nerve issues which make the string spacing awkward for me to play and I'm moving to shorter scales with tighter spacing.
 
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such a cool type of bass. I`ve had three: a `77 4001, a very cool blue boy 4003 (aka the urinal cake Rick) and a walnut 4003S. I still have the latter, because I modded it a bit. It now has the Hipshot bridge replacement, no pickup cover, some chrome to cover up the holes left at the pickup cover housing, and finally plays just like a proper bass should.

4003 feel clumsy and unwieldy compared to the 4001. They look kinda the same but are very different beasts imo. Despite the looks, they don't have anything in common. Tone is different (4003 has much more beef, 4001 more mojo/mids), neck is utterly different (4001 is super slim and almost feels like it should not work, ie break apart. It really feels that thin) and also maintenance wise they have differences.

Three things that I think make a Rick bass worthwhile: the tone, the looks and that super low action that is somehow attainable on some of them. The 4001 was just a miracle in terms of playability. To get my dream bass at that time, I had to sell it. I regret that a lot actually, since the 4003 is just not the same.

The things that will make you pull your hair out: the binding on the body makes playing while sitting down really uncomfortable (4003S solves that problem), the bridge might look cool, but everything else about it is an outrage. The sharp edges of the pickup housing when you unmount that pu cover, the dual trussrods, the subtle scale difference, not placing both pickups over harmonically useful spots (makes playing overtones harder)... the list is long. Rick-O-Sound was a huge disappointment and I have tried it with all sorts of different hardware attached, including bass and guitar amp with proper cabs.

they are basses with a huge amount of coolness and mojo attached to them, but also have some of the most aggravating features/design flaws ever.
 
My first was a 4001C64, but I didn't like the ClownGlo or the reverse headstock, and I sold it. I got a 4003 MG, but the grain was wonky (pictures didn't do it justice) and the binding was not comfy.

Third time's the charm with my 4003S JG. I love the contours and the dots over the shark fin. I got the treble bezel, and put a toaster in the neck position. Weight is about 9.2, I think.

I'm a Fender P lover, and a McCartney fan. My guitars, too, are mostly Fenders. They feel like home. The Rick, not so much—but it's not like it's unplayable. My 4003S and I start to see eye to eye after just a few minutes playing, and the tone is, to me, kind of mind-blowing. I like to have both pickups about even with the bridge push/pull in "vintage" mode. My nirvana moment with the bass came playing a Sweet cover with my band a few years ago ("Love Is Like Oxygen", if you must know). I was playing with a pick—not my usual thing—and I was transported to a different time and place. I'll never forget it.

It's not my favorite bass, but I love it. (La Bella DTFs on it, btw.) I think you should pursue the Ric of your dreams.
 
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I've been a bassist for 35 years, and just got my first Rick last year. I got the 4003S, which solved all my issues with Ricks (ugly inlays and binding).

Here's my take on the instrument, good and bad.

Good:

1. Beautiful.

2. GREAT sounding big pickup. Thick, meaty, powerful…yet clear.

3. Nice hard case included (maybe an SKB).

4. Great price. $1,600 special ordered from Sweetwater.

5. Nice and beefy neck. Wide shoulders. Very nice. But probably contributes to number 5 below.

Bad:

1. Terrible fit and finish issues. Miles below a Squier Affinity in terms of fret work. It was literally the worst factory fret work I've ever seen on an instrument at any price point. The nut wasn't seated properly in its slot. There was a void at a glue joint on the back, which the finish sunk in to. There was finish overspray on the top surface of the fretboard. Sweetwater refunded me $175 to get the frets and nut fixed. I scraped the overspray off myself.

2. The fretboard wasn't finished with clear coat, as I would have preferred (well, except the overspray).

4. Very neck heavy. I have considered converting the Schaller tuners to aluminum posts to see if this helps. But they might already be the lightweight aluminum post models (I'll have to look again, as I don't remember).

5. Neck pickup. First, it is nearly useless with the same amp settings as the big pickup. Quiet and muddy. Second, the string to string volume balance is impossible to get even. Third, same thing with string to string tone: radically different e.q. from one string to the next. Fourth, the pole pieces are RADICALLY misaligned with the strings. Normally I don't think this makes a difference, but given the huge amount of misalignment, and the major tonal and volume balance issues with this pickup, I can't help but wonder. Finally, limited travel in terms of pickup height adjustment. I can't adjust the pickup high enough to match the big pickup in output.

6. Not enough space between the big pickup and it's cover. This means that I can't adjust the pickup low enough to balance in output with the neck pickup; the pickup cover interferes with the strings. My solution to this is to pull the pickup and insert spacers that move the pickup cover about 3/8" farther from the pickup.

7. The mute (an item that I definitely use when a bass has it) sucks. The height adjustment screws are super hard to turn, the foam doesn't go high enough, and the stock foam bar doesn't mute all the strings evenly. My solution is to remove the stock foam bar, and install four taller pieces of rubber, each cut to the proper height for its corresponding string.

8. The saddles are of poor build quality. The height adjustment screws AND the string spacing threads are WAY too loose. Feels like cheap-O import garbage.

9. The built-in strap lock buttons are an awful idea. I hate Schaller strap locks with a passion, for many reasons. The Rick buttons being made specifically for Schaller strap locks prevents you from just installing a plain old strap. I am stuck with them – my only bass that has them. I don't know if they're hammered in like a nail, screwed in to inset bushings, or what, but the Rick buttons don't have a visible screw like a normal strap lock button. Rick, please just use quality regular strap buttons, like a pre-EB Music Man or a G&L.

Bottom line: I kept the bass. It's a beautiful bass that sounds GREAT on one of the two pickups, has a nice case, and was a very fair price for a U.S. made instrument – but it has serious issues with build quality, component quality, and design. It was embarrassingly poor in these areas. And I thought G&L was bad! Jeezus. This Rick was a near total embarrassment for the employees who built it!
 
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I've got 8 Rics spanning several decades and IMHO the 4003 is the best bass ever made: best looking, best sounding, most comfortable, most playable.
There are folks who:
  • Bemoan the bridge/tailpiece, but I like it best and have reverted Rics with other bridges.
  • Say they like the looks but not the sound - I've reverted a couple to stock which had replacement pickups.
  • Maintain that it's a sin to mod them; I've got one with a Kahler whammy on it and there's a "rickenhackers" Facebook group.
  • Complain that the truss rods are bad, but I've got three 4001 models and they're fine, plus they are field-replaceable.
  • Get upset about copies; I've got some (and there's a "rickenfakers" Facebook group).
  • Don't like the binding - I do (and the "S" models without).
  • Don't like the lacquered fingerboard - TBH, I don't notice whether mine are/aren't (also applies to Strats).
  • Say that the neck is too wide/fat/thin/whatever, all of mine are fine!
  • Find out they can't play like Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, or whoever - that's because you have to play like them too! (You're in good company - there's an interview with Geddy Lee saying he thought he was going to sound like Chris Squire when he bought his firs Ric and found he didn't!)
  • Ask for help because one pickup doesn't work - you can only use one output jack at a time.
  • Say the Treble pickup cover gets in the way; just take it off (unless it's a vintage horseshoe magnet one, of course). As a supplementary they then complain it's plastic - no worries, because it's in the parts box now!
  • Make the assertion that you can't slap a Ric; to be fair, that's probably true, as the Bass (neck) pickup is where you'd want to do the finger pops and the pickguard is slightly microphonic.
  • Have issues with RIC's customer support - I don't know, because I've never bought a new one!
  • Don't like the mute assembly - well, don't use it!
  • Say you can't palm-mute... You can!
As with any vintage bass it's a must to play before buying.

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While shopping for my first "real" bass, a few months after I started playing in 1989, there was a late 70s (possibly early 80s) 4001 or 4003 (binding and inlays - YUMM) that hands down sounded better than any other bass in the store. I could not afford it and left with a Peavey Foundation. Since my hero Cliff Burton had played a Ric, I wanted one bad! After I landed a good job following college, I ordered a brand new white 4003 in 1992. The store was unbelievably affordable with all their gear cause (as they openly told everyone) they owned the land and building. My new 4003 with hard case was around $775. That bass played great, was gorgeous, sounded phenomenal, and had the normal issues of the horrible bridge design, and the plastic pickup cover getting in the way. I was enamored enough to not let these things bother me. But, I foolishly traded it away a few months later due to band pressures that I won't go into. Many years later I bought a '76 that was a project. It was curled up like a Frito chip and unfixable. Then I got a black 2012 that I didn't bond with due to the ergonomics and frustrations with the design issues that didn't bother me back in 1992. Fast forward to last year when a local repair guy offered me a mapleglo 4003 that had been modified to have toaster and horseshoe pickups. I decided that I would give Rics another shot and that this time, I would modify it until it was a keeper. So, Hipshot bridge, CA Pickups, harness replaced with volume-volume-tone wiring w/ 1 output jack, pickup cover removed and replaced with a chrome bezel, and pickguard material ordered so I can make a new one for the current wiring. If the sharp body binding starts to bother my plucking arm, I'll sand it away. If the neck finish gets annoying, I'll sand it off and put a tru oil finish on it.

My point- nothing but a Ric will scratch the itch. But, be prepared to make it work for you. It's a tool and a toy after all.
 
5. Neck pickup. First, it is nearly useless with the same amp settings as the big pickup. Quiet and muddy. Second, the string to string volume balance is impossible to get even. Third, same thing with string to string tone: radically different e.q. from one string to the next. Fourth, the pole pieces are RADICALLY misaligned with the strings. Normally I don't think this makes a difference, but given the huge amount of misalignment, and the major tonal and volume balance issues with this pickup, I can't help but wonder. Finally, limited travel in terms of pickup height adjustment. I can't adjust the pickup high enough to match the big pickup in output.

6. Not enough space between the main pickup and it's cover. This means that I can't adjust the pickup low enough to balance in output with the neck pickup; the pickup cover interferes with the strings. My solution to this is to pull the pickup and insert spacers that move the pickup cover about 3/8" farther from the pickup.

The neck toaster can not get close enough to the strings to compare to the monster bridge pickup. They weren't designed to work together honestly. So, you're better off getting a set from Classic Amplification, like I did, and sell the stock pickups for premium money (sucker born every minute LOL). Also, while ditching the bridge pickup, you can get rid of the pickup cover issue.
 
Rics are a series of individuals, not a product line. When you go shopping for a Fender P bass, you pretty much know what you're going to get. You have a couple of neck sizes to choose from and the weight is usually close between specimens. Pick the color scheme and you're out the door happy. That's a typical mass-produced item. The Ric is not like that at all. Instead of being mass-produced on an assembly line (with some modicum of care concerning QC), it's like they hired an art professor and told him to get a hundred artists to each build a bass using the blueprints. Thay all look about the same, they all have their own quirks and no two are alike. As if the lack of shielding, sharp edges, crooked lead pickup and infamous bridge aren't enough to make them undesirable to many players. Now you have to wade through a pile of them to find one that fits. Ah! The secret lies in what happens when you do find the one that fits. < The avatar pic is my favorite. A '78 fretless 4001. The other one is a 2004 FireGlo 4003. Completely different in just about every conceivable way. When you're advised to look carefully until you find the right one, it's true. The people who claim to hate them just gave up looking too soon. Hope this helps.
 
Got a Ric over a year ago, 4003s and removed the pickup cover and put on flats. I love it.
The pickup cover was in the way and the factory rounds didn't work for me. I did a set up to my liking and was on my way.
if you can try one definitely do so. I only tried one about 40+ years ago and had to order the one I wanted without touching it. I just lucked out. Is it my main player?? Don't know, still go back to my P or J and sometimes the Bird. Lucky I can change from bass to bass without a lot of adjustment.
So I guess my recommendation would be to go for it. Life is short. Good luck!!
 
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I had a 4003 that I played with and gigged with for a few years before I sold it. I would like to buy one again… someday.

They are definitely unique and I love how they look. The body is large, thin, and has sharp edges. The controls are complex. The bridge pickup either is covered, or you have to deal with that massive metal enclosure with sharp edges. It can be tough to play, it isn't very comfortable, and the tone is kinda mushy. But if you like them, they are cool. It is subjective, but a jetglo 4003 is beautiful to me. They are definitely well crafted. I also think they are a good value for what you get. My post is probably confusing. When I owned one and people criticized it, I felt like they were picking on my brother. Only I get to criticize my bass lol. They are a PITA but I love them.
 
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A Ric is a much better choice than a Gibson Grabber, sorry Gibson fans IMHO.
I've owned 2) 4001 (1969, 1979), and a 4003 (1981).

If you like the round wound Ric tone, there's nothing as a substitute.
Even more modern ones will get that tone quite well.

My best suggestion is try one in person.

In good news they hold value well over time if you decide it's not for you.
 
A lot of people criticise Rics because they aren't like Fenders...
...the answer is: go buy a Fender!

(Even better, buy both?)

I'm definitely looking for something different from a Fender, for me I love my two FSO's because I can keep modifying them to find whatever "my" P or J Bass sound is.

With the Rick though, I want to use it because it's unique and so I can find out what sounds it does without my grubby fingers sticking Badass bridges and EMG pickups in.
 
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-- the good and the bad.
Good?
Sounds great in a mix, bandmates love them and will tell you to play that bass over others.
Can sound equally good with rounds & flats (my pref. is flats) and are great for down-tuning (very stable neck IME)
The neck. Love that it's the same radius/width the whole way, so comfortable for me.

Bad?
Tough to find (in Australia), impossible to get parts for locally & have to buy one without trying it first where I live.
Ergonomics. You'll either get along with it or you won't. You'd figure that out pretty quick.
I also favour a single volume knob, so due to me using my Ricky as my main, I now spot a volume pedal on my board.
 
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The 4004 fixes everything wrong with the 4003.
  • Body contouring
  • Hum-canceling pickups (that still have the Rick growl)
  • A sane bridge
  • No ridiculous bridge pickup cover
  • No tacky plastic on the body
It's basically the grown-up version of the pimply-faced adolescent 4003.

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The 4004 fixes everything wrong with the 4003.
  • Body contouring
  • Hum-canceling pickups (that still have the Rick growl)
  • A sane bridge
  • No ridiculous bridge pickup cover
  • No tacky plastic on the body
It's basically the grown-up version of the pimply-faced adolescent 4003.

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A great shame they stopped making those.
 
The 4004 fixes everything wrong with the 4003.
  • Body contouring
  • Hum-canceling pickups (that still have the Rick growl)
  • A sane bridge
  • No ridiculous bridge pickup cover
  • No tacky plastic on the body
It's basically the grown-up version of the pimply-faced adolescent 4003.

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(Random photo from the Internet)

I've seen very few of these pop up for sale but they look like a much more approachable way to get the Rick sound. Too bad they've been discontinued. I'm recalling something I saw Chris Buck on YouTube say about Rickenbacker as a company; they're smaller and so many of the die-hard vintage purists that make up their customer base would have a cow at modern improvements. "They change the toan, man!"