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Rickenbacker...?

Couldn't bring myself to get the real one so got the Greco one that Ric Co. hates.
It's been upgraded with wiring harness, Pickguardian, straplocs, & lighter strings. This model doesn't have the body feel issues b/c Greco called it the "PMB"(Paul Mc Bass).

You can "almost" get the sound with a number of basses and extreme(or not) EQ.
There is an experiment here putting a Ric neck pickup in the front position of a Greco LP clone to see if "the sound" will happen for cheap(price of a pickup).
 
Gilmourisgod summed it up pretty well, but I'll repeat what I say every time this question comes up. I like my 4001 & 4003 very much; but they are not for everybody. If ever there was a Bass that you must play - and for more than a minute or two - before you buy, it's a Rick. It will either play, feel, and sound like God's gift to you; or it will hurt you and give you cramps, and you'll hate it. There is no middle ground with a Rick. But I hope you'll be one of us...:)
 
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This comes up so often, I think I'll just list what I personally see as pros and cons, just my $.02:

PROS:
1. Incredible, unique tone and sustain, particularly with roundwounds and biased towards the treble end of the spectrum. The thumpy Macca sound can be had with flatwounds, but that can be had on almost any bass.
2. Bi-amp/Stereo capability with Ric-O'Sound jacks. This sounds absolutely killer, and the weight penalties can be alleviated with modern Class D micro-amps and cabinets. Highly recommended.
3. Vintage/Modern push-pull tone selector on 4003 models allows more range of tone options.
4. High quality Schaller tuners.
5. When done correctly (most of the time), gorgeous, immaculate paint job and overall fit and finish.
6. Iconic retro-tastic good looks.
7. Thin (side to side) minimal taper neck. This either works for you or it doesn't based on neck preference. It's similar to a P-Bass width at the nut, but very little taper towards the bridge.

CONS:
1. Truly dreadful and utterly indifferent customer service from Rickenbacker. This can be avoided somewhat by buying from a reputable third party dealer like Wildwood or Pick of the Rics, who pre-inspect basses before shipment.
2. Ergonomic weirdness. The body shape and hard bound body edges are uncomfortable for some. It either bugs you or it doesn't, based on your body shape, how you hold the bass, etc. The new 4003s models have no binding and rounded body contours that's more comfortable for many people.
3. Borky, difficult to adjust bridge prone to bending under string tension. Hipshot makes an excellent replacement bridge that many think looks as good or better, many leave it as-is and live with the drawbacks as a minor annoyance.
4. Spotty Quality Control. The vast majority of instruments are well finished, but during the frantic past few years of backlogged production, QC definitely slipped on paint, sloppy pickup installation, etc. This appears to have been largely resolved now that 4003 models are not backlogged, but definitely try before buy. If you do have finish problems, expect zero help from Rickenbacker Inc. GC's return policy makes it a pretty safe place to buy one.
5. Noisy Electronics. Ric provides no shielding whatsoever, and the single coil pups are prone to hum under certain conditions. This can be improved, but not eliminated by grounded shielding or a noise gate.

CONCLUSIONS:
In my mind, the Tone Trumps All. Nothing sounds like a Ric in it's grinding full-throated glory, but if ever there was a bass you absolutely must test-play before buying, this is it.

Sums it up pretty well.
You only left out that the ladies like the bling factor of all that chrome and shiny finish. :)
 
after years of thinking ric basses looked sort of weird, i played a buddy's ric and i was hooked! i finally bought a used one years later, and it was just awesome for me - tonally, feel of the body and the neck. it may be important to add that i'm a whopping 5' 3", chubby and grew up playing classical guitar, for the last 27 years mostly played acoustic and some electric. i mention those things because my being used to wider necks, my height, even my extra frontage could have contributed toward the ric being so right for me.
 
I just checked his page & it looks like he's got some newer 4004Ciis in & a 4004L. Too bad the 4004L is baby blue.

I'm contemplating driving up there on Friday for a spin on it anyway.

DOH!
He's closed on Fridays!

So I was going to say "tell him Jamie said Hi", but I guess if Friday was your day, maybe not. Who knew?

Whenever you get there, you can tell hm then.
 
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I forgot to mention something else memorable about the '91 Blackstar...I had used it on a couple recording sessions, then put it away for six months while favoring a lighter instrument for live shows. I pulled the Ric back out after those six months to do another recording date, and it was tuned very near to perfect. I verified the tuning, but did not touch a single peg prior to rolling tape. (Yes, tape. Two inch, 15 ips, old-school glory.)

Maybe I just got really lucky with that instrument, but to my mind it's still a mighty prop for the stability of a Rickenbacker.
 
PROS:
2. Bi-amp/Stereo capability with Ric-O'Sound jacks. This sounds absolutely killer, and the weight penalties can be alleviated with modern Class D micro-amps and cabinets. Highly recommended.
3. Vintage/Modern push-pull tone selector on 4003 models allows more range of tone options.

Not applicable in the case of the 4004 models.


CONS:
1. Truly dreadful and utterly indifferent customer service from Rickenbacker. This can be avoided somewhat by buying from a reputable third party dealer like Wildwood or Pick of the Rics, who pre-inspect basses before shipment.

This scares me.


3. Borky, difficult to adjust bridge prone to bending under string tension. Hipshot makes an excellent replacement bridge that many think looks as good or better, many leave it as-is and live with the drawbacks as a minor annoyance.
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5. Noisy Electronics. Ric provides no shielding whatsoever, and the single coil pups are prone to hum under certain conditions. This can be improved, but not eliminated by grounded shielding or a noise gate.

These are the reasons I would want the 4004 series with humbuckers & a "normal" bridge.


In my mind, the Tone Trumps All. Nothing sounds like a Ric in it's grinding full-throated glory,

A G&L L-2000 or ASAT in Treble Boost mode comes pretty close IMHO.

I might have to make the drive to confirm that later today, because my tube amp helps get that Lemmy tone.
 
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Not applicable in the case of the 4004 models.




This scares me.




These are the reasons I would want the 4004 series with humbuckers & a "normal" bridge.




A G&L L-2000 or ASAT in Treble Boost mode comes pretty close IMHO.

I might have to make the drive to confirm that later today, because my tube amp helps get that Lemmy tone.

Russ might have an ASAT kicking around as well.........
 
I drove a total of 5 hours today, so I am pooped.

I tried a 4003 at the Guitar Center & it paled in comparison to my ASAT. It was the first time I had directly compared my G&L to a Rickenbacker.
The Rick volume/output was there, but it just sounded thin compared to the ASAT.

Went to check out the 4004 Laredo. The only one for at least 100 miles, that I know of.

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This thing stomps on the 4003 IMHO.
I had to put my G&L in Treble boost mode to keep up with the 4004L's punch.

In a blind test, I would not have been able to tell them apart, unless you put the G&L in Passive mode.
So, the 4004 Laredo can do Lemmy w/o a pre-amp.
I do wonder if Lemmy has the same pickups in his 4004LK, but he probably does.

Now, the question is, am I willing to pay twice as much for the Rickenbacker as I paid for my G&L?