Rig for super deep lows.

[mcapote]

I know everybody seems to think 18s are unnecessary, but my Boogie 118 cab can put out more lows than any cabinet I've ever heard. Phil Lesh was the one who turned me on to 18s, and his advice was sound.

as you said lower than YOU have heard. I will put my 15 up against it any day

 

[theAntihero]

right now he is using a Behringer 4x10 paper coned combo./QUOTE]

I'm assuming that cost is a concern given the current rig.

Not really, its been more of i'll use this system while i save up my pennies for something much better sort of deal. The Behr has worked but he wants something else.

Honestly, compared to what your bassist is using right now, most professional quality bass amp/cab set-ups in the 750-1200w range would be a HUGE improvement and probably make him very happy if eq'd correctly. I'd try this first before spending 4k on an esoteric "sub-like" rig.

I agree, but in the end its his rig not mine. So far he's leaning towards the Carvin 2000w head. The thing is, he's trying to make this the last system he ever buys, and while that may or may not happen lot's o' power and low end is basically what he is looking for.

+1

Any guy that is using an EB-0 with flatwounds and a felt pick definitely knows what he's after from the instrument end of things.

The miracle is how he ended up with a 4x10 in the first place.

Yeah he like to say he plays base instead of bass, its the massive earthmoving foundation that the band sits on, sounds great for a power trio.

He liked the 4x10 because it didnt flub out as fast and seemed clearer than a single 15 or 18. We do play some faster songs where he is doing the Jack Bruce rhythm bass thing and the little bit of added clarity is nice.

1500 watts? unnecessary. just because your current 450 watt head is lame doesnt mean a 1500 watt head wont be. Behringer? Well known to NOT have the most flattering tone

Its not just the Behr that he has played that has ran out of headroom. Its not a volume issue, its a headroom issue. Words cannot describe how low he seems to get without downtuning, think a tonal earthquake. Add that tone to playing haevy with a pick and you have limited headroom. He also has a couple solos in our set that it would be nice to boost his volume more without pegging his limiter.

The Carvin amps are pretty good. The BRX cabs are very nice sounding - I like the tone of mine - but not anywhere near as deep as the numbers would suggest, so not a good option if you're looking for real big low end.

Good to know, he was leaning towards one of those and a carvin 18.

 

[UncleFluffy]

Good to know, he was leaning towards one of those and a carvin 18.

My wife uses a Carvin bx1200 ("only" 1200 watts) a regular BR 2x10 and 1x18. Nice, but with the BRX it would be even better.

edit: I'll also add - for the price of these two, you may be able to find a single 4x10 or 2x15 with better low end. It's probably worth doing some more research. This *is* a working, very giggable setup, but it's three boxes not two.

 

[John D Harris]

Link Removed.
It is designed to go really low.

Here's the link to the talkbass Wiki for all the fEarful cabs.

 

[theAntihero]

Link Removed.
It is designed to go really low.

Here's the link to the talkbass Wiki for all the fEarful cabs.

Who builds them? Im pretty sure neither one of us would want to build it. Ive built guitar cabs, but honestly im not equipped to do a sealed enclosure thats gonna be handling that much low end.

 

[John D Harris]

Who builds them? Im pretty sure neither one of us would want to build it. Ive built guitar cabs, but honestly im not equipped to do a sealed enclosure thats gonna be handling that much low end.

Any skilled cabinet-maker can build based on the detailed design plans.

Any electronics technician can wire-up the crossover designs included in the Wiki.

 

[honestjohnny]

If your bass player can wait for a few months, Avatar will have a version of the fEarful cab available.

 

[theAntihero]

Any skilled cabinet-maker can build based on the detailed design plans.

Any electronics technician can wire-up the crossover designs included in the Wiki.

Any recommendations?

 

[theAntihero]

If your bass player can wait for a few months, Avatar will have a version of the fEarful cab available.

Hmm really? We live up in his area and i like his guitar cabs.

 

["Q"]

I know everybody seems to think 18s are unnecessary, but my Boogie 118 cab can put out more lows than any cabinet I've ever heard. Phil Lesh was the one who turned me on to 18s, and his advice was sound.

I was going to say the same thing but talk about 18's get kinda wasted around here.

You could also go one better as B&C (a pretty well respected driver manufacturer I might add) makes a 21". But of course they're just idiots.

I'm not sure why smaller driver reccomendations keep popping up for such a clear cut case of only wanting low bass. Not that it couldn't be done with 10's but whats the advantage? And then theres the cost. 8 10's cost considerably more than 2 18's.

Plus larger drivers give a high end roll off that this guy seems to enjoy.

 

[John D Harris]

If your bass player can wait for a few months, Avatar will have a version of the fEarful cab available.

Where did you hear that?

 

[millsbass5]

I would go with this bad boy....The Bill Dickens Model Sub. I think Mr. Dickens even has a bass strung with a l-o-w F#!! I would think that would be enough to make yer liver quiver.


http://www.accugroove.com/

 

[honestjohnny]

Where did you hear that?

There was a thread about it a few months back. Do a search

Nevermind...did it for you.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650701&highlight=avatar

 

[John D Harris]

There was a thread about it a few months back. Do a search

Nevermind...did it for you.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650701&highlight=avatar

Sounds to me more like a cheap remake of the SWR Triad than a version of the fEarful.

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Read up on the fEarfull 3015lf cabs. Two (or one, if you're being realistic here) with a Carvin B2000. Done.

Don at LDS can build them.

+1

A fEarful 15/6 would be perfect. It will give tones of lows *if* thats what you ask of it, but can still be relatively balanced as well.

I have absolutely never heard any other cab that can reproduce lows like the 15/6. Its just bloom city.

 

[aledeville]

I think we don't measure with the same scales. Someone does not not necessarily need a very bassy sounding stack when he is running out of headroom and lacking of lows with his Behringer 410.
I recomment that the bass player just plays with a decent rig and then decides whether he needs a PA sub or something like that.

I just can't believe that there is a need for a super bassy rig with 1,5kW and nothing over 100Hz (that statement lead to my suspicion that you don't really know of how it works with the bass amp/frequencies and so fourth).

Don't get me wrong, but with a bassy rig that produces to much subbass you'll have problems in every location and on every stage. I'd like to prevent you from making mistakes you'll regret. Thats all

 

[BurningSkies]

Sounds to me more like a cheap remake of the SWR Triad than a version of the fEarful.

It did at first, but then Dave pulled the design and went back to the drawing board. Don't look for it to be faithful to the fEarful design as much as probably borrowing many of the features.

 

[John D Harris]

It did at first, but then Dave pulled the design and went back to the drawing board. Don't look for it to be faithful to the fEarful design as much as probably borrowing many of the features.

Does that mean that he's going to use a really good smaller midrange instead of the 10"?

Having a mid that starts beaming at the kind of frequencies that 10" drivers do makes zero sense to me.

 

[BurningSkies]

Does that mean that he's going to use a really good smaller midrange instead of the 10"?

Having a mid that starts beaming at the kind of frequencies that 10" drivers do makes zero sense to me.

I don't think he's committed to anything yet, just that he did a bit of an 'oooops!' pulled the 15/10 full range design he had posted. I believe he was looking at a closed back Alpha 6 and a full crossover.

 

[John D Harris]

I don't think he's committed to anything yet, just that he did a bit of an 'oooops!' pulled the 15/10 full range design he had posted. I believe he was looking at a closed back Alpha 6 and a full crossover.

Cool!

Thanks for the update.