rig-raising?

[JehuJava]

...technically, two or more speakers should never be placed side by side, whether located within one box or multiple boxes.

Does that mean most 4X10 and 2X10, etc are incorrectly designed?

 

[rockstarbassist]

I actually see a few people stack their 8x10's on top of each other. To me it makes more sense, with the cab having more contact with the ground. I researched on here, and bass freq's are quite diff from guitar ones (obviously), so a guitar cab can be up on a tilted stand or leaned back, and it sound better. Bass otoh, should be placed flat on the ground preferably even off it's casters if possible, from what I've heard. I used to place my Schro 1210 on it's side vertically, with the horn and slanted 10" pointing up, but now I just prop it up a little with my SKB back cover, and it sounds 10 times better. I'm gonna make a little 2-3" prop with some wood and paint it black when I go home next, to set under the front. Granted you can't usually place your rack on top of the cab that way, but I just set that vertically too and it looks 10 times cooler to boot!

 

[Soulbanana]

Bump for a good question. It'd be interesting to hear more about this.

I'm not sure if I read it here, or in a magazine, but it had something to do with 4x10s being in that square format purely on aesthetics and manufacturing simplicity.

They actually sound better when mounted in a vertical line. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[i like tictacs]

It wouldn't suprise me if it was all FOH. The cabinets might be dummies just to plactae a sponsor. He's probbly got in-ear monitors and running the bass direct. What does he need stage volume for?

Although this is purely speculation - it is not unheard of, or for that matter uncommon

He's actually stacked cabs in the past- He had 2 Meyer cabs stacked vertically for awhile. Two sets of two cabs stacked vertically, so it was like a 2x2 of cabs. If you get what I'm saying.

|Cab||Cab|
|Cab||Cab|

Vertically.

He says he uses the Ampeg line now because he likes to 'feel the bass' through his IEM's. He felt 'disconnected' and 'distant' with IEM's supposedly. He was the only member of the band to not use IEM's until a few years ago, and he still keeps the cabs around so he doesn't feel disconnected from the music.

 

[Joe Beets]

I never had the guts to stack one 8x10 vertically on top of another one. But this method worked just as well. Put the 8x10 cabs next to each other and put a 4x10 cab on top of each one of those. For safety reasons, the 8x10 cabs need to be the Ampeg ones with the steel towel bar across the back. Hook an automotive type steel tow cable around each towel bar and wrap the other end around something solid at the back of the stage. DO NOT use nylon rope. It will stretch too much and the whole stack will fall over any way. I learned that lesson the hard way. Fortunately, I only had one mishap with the cable safety straps. One of the 4x10 cabs fell over when a Leslie organ speaker sitting up on a steel tavern table fell over and bashed into it. Hey, not my fault.

 

[violatedppl]

I used to stack my 1 15 peavey combo on top of my 1810 cab so in total I had one 18 one 15 and two 10's I was in low end bliss and with all that running through a pa their was not a soul in eye range that couldnt feel or hear me.

 

[Blues Cat]

A friend of mine plays bass in a band I play drums in. He's got all the expensive boutique stuff. Demeter pre, Demeter comp, Aguilar DB728, EA NL210 & 112Wizzy, were all placed on an Auralex pad. Played thru practice no problem. Guitarist came back next day & thought the bassplayer was working on his rig. As he was leaving he decided to call the bass player to ask, have you been working on your rig? The bassplayer said no. Cause your entire rig is face down on the floor. I can't really express the verbage exchanged or the sinking feeling he had.
Turns out that overnight the foam compressed slowly on the Auralex pad & dumped the rig tearing the carpet & putting a huge gouge in the cement foundation. The Pre was sent off to be restored (Bent face plate). The 728 has a bent front panel, both handles broke off but is still working perfectly. Missed the bass drum by 8". Good thing his Celinder wasn't on the stand in front of it.
You know the moral of this story.

 

[BartmanPDX]

Does that mean most 4X10 and 2X10, etc are incorrectly designed?

That's probably true. My other main hobby/background is in home theater, where some nutjobs will spend several thousand dollars on cables because they're so keyed in to acoustics (or they're just too rich and foolish).

In the world of high end home theater, I have NEVER seen a respected set of speakers without the drivers arranged vertically. Ideally, all three front speakers (actually all 5 or 7 speakers) are supposed to be identical, and oriented vertically. Because of screen constraints, people often either get a special center channel speaker, or put the center speaker on its side. No matter how they do it , it NEVER sounds right when something pans from left to right. The only option is to put the center speaker behind a so-called "acoustically transparent" screen (which brings up a host of other problems).

Long story short, I think the idea that "a vertical arrangement of drivers produces the best sound" is accepted as near-gospel by most of the audiophile world.

And yes, my bass rig has a 4x10 in it. I'm more picky about my home theater speakers than about my rig (for now).

Just my .02

I used to stack my 1 15 peavey combo on top of my 1810 cab so in total I had one 18 one 15 and two 10's I was in low end bliss and with all that running through a pa their was not a soul in eye range that couldnt feel or hear me.

That sounds like a heck of a rig!!!

 

[ADbassman]

It just seems like a bad idea to stack two 8 x 10 cabs. I mean, these are bass cabs we're talking about that vibrate and potentially fall over and crush you. Ow.