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Rock bands with no bassists

I've been thinking about this for a long time. We've been limiting ourselves on expectations and preferences within certain styles of music, then ridicule anything that tries to be different.

Most of the time bands are made up by pure coincidence of networking. The sound is limited by talent and/or choice of instrumentation not creativity. People get used to that certain sound, and believe that's the only way to do it. It becomes a style. Then it becomes a requirement. It's only until someone willing to be creative, and popular, do people realize they can do something different and still be within a recognized genre.

Even within our own discipline of bass guitar, we are prejudiced by gear and technique.

Some folks cite The Doors. Sure, they initially didn't have a bassist, they rocked, they became popular. Eventually, they decided they needed to conform to the standards of having a true bass guitarist.

The Presidents of the United States, they rocked. They didn't have a true bass-guitar, just modified guitars while one player was delegated to "bass lines."

The White Stripes would play without a bass-guitarist. Most likely bass playing in studio recordings (beats me, I don't listen to them), but I've seen live videos with just the two playing and they do that rock and the roll.

It makes me wonder how should I define "rock." The musical end-result? Or the specific instrumentation used to make it? Certainly if I want to mimic a previously done sound, it helps to mimic the instrumentation. I do realize "rock" incorporates a lot of styles, genres, sub-genres... whatever. My current definition of what rocks can be entirely different from another person's.

Technologically, we have things that can mimic a bass guitar. Not perfectly, but just enough so an audience will hear what most modern music uses: low rhythmic harmonies. I just refuse to believe a genre can only be acceptable by incorporating an amplified plucked (or picked) thick metal string.

Fortunately, most people don't think like I do, so I retain my bassist job.

This is a good point to discuss. For me, the terminology of "ROCK" has less to do with the specific instrumentation, or even musical end-result, than it does with it's philosophical completeness. A rock "band" with no bassist is an unbalanced entity... an incomplete, twangy ego party. A ying without a yang. Or maybe the other way around.

Let's try to imagine if the Who didn't have a bass guitarist. If Pete Townsend had just done all the bass parts in the studio and some random dude would do them on keyboards at the shows. Let's try to imagine a bassist starting a discussion on TB about how to cop Jack White's octave pedal tone. Sounds kind of silly.
 
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I've never seen TBK live but every video of them I have seen he has some of the worst guitar tone ever. I know that's just a personal taste, and I really like some of their songs, but his tone sounds like a 14 year old playing with too much distortion through a 5w bedroom amp.
Interesting, I really like his raw tone on most of the videos! Like you say, personal taste. As much as I admire Steve Vai's playing, his tone is way over-processed for my taste.
 
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Yea, I hate when that happens ... but hey, whatever get's you to the sound you seek in the end is fine.

I'm going to start with the obvious ... The Doors
Although many will disagree, I was never that impressed with Ray Manzarek's bass comping on the keyboard. Ponderous, repetitive and uninspired - resulting in a rather thin overall sound IMO. Having said that there's a jazz/funk/soul group up in Vermont (Soule Monde) - just a guy playing a Hammond B3 and a drummer (Longtime Trey Anastasio Band members Ray Paczkowski and Russ Lawton respectively). They opened for Vic Wooten here in New Hampshire last year. Mr. Paczkowski laid down some incredible bass lines on that keyboard that would put many a fretted low-ender to shame. Pure joy to listen to. However, I think Ray Paczkowski is an exception. Most bass-less groups I've heard that use a keyboard or bass synth just seem to lack something to my ear. Too sterile sounding.
 
I'm not sure if The Dandy Warhols were mentioned, but they're one of my fave rock bands. Finally got to see them live in Vancouver BC at the Commodore Ballroom two summers ago, and I LOVED IT... although Zia the hot sexy keyboardist did play an old Musicmaster Bass on one tune. There was a third guitarist who played in the very back of the stage for most of the tunes... making it three guitars for their live show. Odd. But they really are an amazing and hard working band. Opening for that same show was a young hip band also from Portland OR called The Shivas, and I don't think they had a bassist either.
 
No bass, no drums, all rock.



On the other hand, same tune + bass and drums = even more rock:



So, you see, everyone is right-- you can rock with or without bass (and even drums!). You just need PJ Harvey!

If for some reason you suspect you might not be quite as cool as PJ Harvey, you might want to just have a bass player. You know, just in case....
 
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Saw a band open for Fall Out Boy called New Politics. Drums, Guitar, Lead Vocals. 3 guys, no bass player on stage, but every song had a bass track. sometimes the bass track was the intro or featured in the song and the guys on stage would just jump around to the bass track as if the bassist was right there with them. They weren't trying to fool anyone, but it was really strange. They even did a cover of Sabotage by the Beastie Boys, whoever played the track nailed the part, but it was just weird to hear it and not have anyone playing it onstage, maybe I'm just old fashioned.
 
I don't think Animals As Leaders have a bass player - just two 7-string guitars. I agree it's too bad, but in their case they pull it off I guess. I'd still like to pop a really talented bass player in with them just to hear it...

They have the bass parts from the album in the the backing tracks when they perform live ;)
 
Saw a band open for Fall Out Boy called New Politics. Drums, Guitar, Lead Vocals. 3 guys, no bass player on stage, but every song had a bass track. sometimes the bass track was the intro or featured in the song and the guys on stage would just jump around to the bass track as if the bassist was right there with them. They weren't trying to fool anyone, but it was really strange. They even did a cover of Sabotage by the Beastie Boys, whoever played the track nailed the part, but it was just weird to hear it and not have anyone playing it onstage, maybe I'm just old fashioned.

Are you sure they weren't just using the actual Beastie Boys backing track?

I don't know, bass player, no bass player, even sequencers, I'm cool, but when you start using pre-recorded tracks, I think you're doing karaoke at that point....
 
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