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"Rock" vs. "Pop" music classification
- Thread starter dougjwray
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I can't stand Steppenwolf. Maybe the first time I heard Born to Be Wild when I was around 12 I though it was cool. But that's the extent that I liked them.
"Holmes" is a variation of "homeboy" and "homie (homey)." It's "homes" with a bit of a drawl. Check out the inside section of this 1979 Parliament album cover - upper left, circled:
I remember "Holmes" being in regular use in the late-'70s and throughout the '80s.
Do you consider that Urban Dictionary definition correct at all, it seems to say the same things, but in a different order. I din't know who vets that stuff, but the colloquial expressions all have different versions
For my friends and me back in the day, "holmes" was just another way of saying "man" or "dude" or "brotha." I grew up in Sacramento, CA, so my experience may have been different. We didn't use "holmes" until the late-'70s. I'd like to hear from East Coasters who grew up in the '60s to see if they were saying "holmes" that far back.
We also use to say "blood" before the gang thing blew up.
Ummm... Not so fast...
American DJs and concert promoters barely noticed any British rock until the Beatles, and after the Ed Sullivan Show and the insane domination of top 40 during the spring, they suddenly opened the door to anyone with a British accent. So, no, I'm not sure that the Stones and the Who had a chance without the Beatles.
As far as staying power, my perception is that the Who are already fading from memory and the Stones might be forgotten in 50 years, while the Beatles' songs will be played for hundreds of years. Just my guess. (And I'm a big Who fan.)
I'm in the "Pop is not a genre" camp.
All of these artists / bands have had music that was considered "Pop" at one time.
The Rolling Stones, Queen, the Clash, Black Sabbath, Radiohead, R.E.M., Foo Fighters, Bruce Springsteen and The Beach Boys.
All of these artists / bands have had music considered "Pop" at one time.
Percy Faith, The Everly Brothers, The Drifters, Johnny Horton, Brenda Lee, Marty Robbins, The Platters.
All of these artists / bands have had music that was considered "Pop" at one time.
The Rolling Stones, Queen, the Clash, Black Sabbath, Radiohead, R.E.M., Foo Fighters, Bruce Springsteen and The Beach Boys.
All of these artists / bands have had music considered "Pop" at one time.
Percy Faith, The Everly Brothers, The Drifters, Johnny Horton, Brenda Lee, Marty Robbins, The Platters.
The Who's influence shows up in bands to this day…can't recall the last time I saw a band that wasn't Oasis and thought that there was a clear Beatles influence.
Also, the youth have already forgotten Paul, it would appear:
Paul McCartney says some people think Kanye West 'discovered' him when they made songs together in 2015: 'And that's not a joke'
Dr. Dog and Father John Misty have some pretty strong Beatles influence I think.
Examples:
Well, this is merely anecdotal, but my 16-year-old daughter barely knows who the Who are. The other day, my wife mentioned Keith Richards. My daughter asked, "Who?" I replied, "He's a member of the Rolling Stones." She said, "Oh. I was thinking of the country singer from Australia." (Keith Urban.)
Meanwhile, she has almost all of the Beatles' albums on vinyl, she has the 8x10 glosses from the White Album taped to her wall, and she has several Beatles t-shirts and sweatshirts. She also likes the Doors, Stevie Wonder, Sam Cooke, Etta James, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong...
When I was young.....
Rock : The Stones, Zeppelin, Rush,Hendrix etc.
Pop : Burt Bacharach, Herb Albert, The Carpenters, Tom Jones, etc.
Groups and Artists who played both sides of the field:
The Monkees, The Turtles, The Association, The Raspberries, The Beach boys
If you wanted to make a HIT record, not a well reviewed record, not a heavy political message record, not a just-the- cool-people understand us record,
But a HIT record.... you sorta hadda borrow a little pop sensibility to capture that big audience.
Usually, It would have a strong melody, was almost always about love, and was full of hooks.
Thats probably engraved into the cornerstone of the Brill building.
Pop music is like candy...a little of it is sweet..but alot just isn't good for ya.
That was then..today?...I couldn't say....I don't hear much I really like.
I know its out there, I've just quit searching it out.
But I remember a time when you just didn't have to hunt that hard. .
Rock : The Stones, Zeppelin, Rush,Hendrix etc.
Pop : Burt Bacharach, Herb Albert, The Carpenters, Tom Jones, etc.
Groups and Artists who played both sides of the field:
The Monkees, The Turtles, The Association, The Raspberries, The Beach boys
If you wanted to make a HIT record, not a well reviewed record, not a heavy political message record, not a just-the- cool-people understand us record,
But a HIT record.... you sorta hadda borrow a little pop sensibility to capture that big audience.
Usually, It would have a strong melody, was almost always about love, and was full of hooks.
Thats probably engraved into the cornerstone of the Brill building.
Pop music is like candy...a little of it is sweet..but alot just isn't good for ya.
That was then..today?...I couldn't say....I don't hear much I really like.
I know its out there, I've just quit searching it out.
But I remember a time when you just didn't have to hunt that hard. .
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Pretty much the same with my 18 year old daughter and her friends in regard to the Beatles. The Stones are barely a blip and The Who don't register at all.
