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Roscoe Classic Owners Club

I have been to a lot of concerts this summer where a passive 4 string Precesion bass was played and sounded really good. I've debated a Precision for a while. I have a passive G&L JB-2 that I like the sound of, but, much as I try to convince myself that I'm Pino or Jamareo, I really like use and "need" that B string. I have the G&L string with TI flats for my "jazz combo" gigs and it's great for that.

Never heard a passive B string I like, but again, I figure if anyone will have a good one it would be Roscoe. So I'm thinking if I'm gonna try a passive bass, it should be a Roscoe, probably a 5 string and probably a PJ model. Why stray from what I love.

The last thing in my debate with myself is active or active/passive. I have my Century 5 (soaps) and Century 6 (jazz) with Bart pre so I guess I have the active part covered. Still, the A/P option is tempting. For those who have either/both versions, what are the trade offs, benefits, etc.

If it were you, what would you choose?

As far as Roscoes go, I only have my Century 6j. But I have had a ton of basses with active/passive capability. With all the controls set flat, even the most "transparent" or "flat" preamps sound different when the switch is kicked on. Not better or worse. But every one I have experienced, there is an ever-so-slight widening of both the high and low frequency reach. Kind of like the response curve of the bass gets lengthened both ways. And a very slight dip in the mids (actually, to my ears, it sounds like the mid hump in passive gets controlled and flattened a little). There is also usually a tiny bit of compressed feeling. Passive is more raw, active is more refined, even when the output level is matched. It could be that the signal travels a couple inches before it hits a preamp in active mode, rather than 10+feet in active mode.

I like having the option. Usually a passive option includes a passive tone control. I tend to cut highs, and I like a tone rolloff more than active high cut, especially on a P-bass. Also, it's a one second temporary fix if something in the electronics or battery goes bad during a set. If you don't have a 2 minute break, it saves the gig.

With all bass builds or upgrades, I go straight to the Nordstrand 3 band. I almost did it to my Century, but it is so ferocious sounding with the Bart 3 band pre, I don't want to mess with it.

I would definitely get a Roscoe 5 string classic. You can't go wrong. Passive is great for thump, and so many preamps have that option these days.
 
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Aren't the Century 6JJ with Bart's killer!

The Roscoe classic active passive has a passive tone control that works in both modes so pretty cool. I see myself using this in the cover band. Passive P for Lady Marmalade. Passive PJ for Working for the Weekend. Active PJ for Justin Timberlake.

I don't want to change basses mid set as it ruins the flow. Mid gig isn't so bad.

I can get a decent "passive p" sound from my Century 5 with the Bart soaps, but another Roscoe is always fun.

My cheap little G&L JB-2 has that raw passive sound i want - but it's missing a string and some of the Roscoe magic of course.
 
Aren't the Century 6JJ with Bart's killer!

The Roscoe classic active passive has a passive tone control that works in both modes so pretty cool. I see myself using this in the cover band. Passive P for Lady Marmalade. Passive PJ for Working for the Weekend. Active PJ for Justin Timberlake.

I don't want to change basses mid set as it ruins the flow. Mid gig isn't so bad.

I can get a decent "passive p" sound from my Century 5 with the Bart soaps, but another Roscoe is always fun.

My cheap little G&L JB-2 has that raw passive sound i want - but it's missing a string and some of the Roscoe magic of course.
I don't want to derail this thread... but...

My Century 6j comes scary close to a P in a mix with these settings:
Pickup all the way front
Treble cut about 50%
Bass cut about 20-30%
High mids boosted about 20%
Volume pulled back about 10%

Solo, it's ok, in a mix, playing over the bridge pickup, it's spitting
P bass all day.

I still DO need an active PJ5. I would definitely get a Classic Roscoe, but there is no way I could swing that cost anytime soon.
 
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I get a nice P with similar settings on both my basses. Treble cut goes a long way to getting a "less modern" tone.

Not sure I can afford a classic 5 (never stopped me before) but I am very GASy for one. My wife is warming to the idea so we'll see. She's like to go to Puerto Rico in February so...
 
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I get a nice P with similar settings on both my basses. Treble cut goes a long way to getting a "less modern" tone.

Not sure I can afford a classic 5 (never stopped me before) but I am very GASy for one. My wife is warming to the idea so we'll see. She's like to go to Puerto Rico in February so...
Yeah, when we stop in at the Roscoe shop on the way to our vacation in a couple weeks, I know GAS will be hard if there's anything visible. I'll have to butter up Mrs. Watts! She was very supportive of the Century purchase, being that it was considerably less that it would have been new...
 
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I agree with everything Timmy-Watts says about active preamps.
On my Warmoth PJ build I had a Sadowsky preamp in it at one point, but I pulled it out. I have been happiest without it in the chain on that one. For some reason I like it even better than running passive with the preamp installed, effectively bypassing the preamp. I don't know if that was just in my head or not.

Something about how the aguilar system works all together though, I do enjoy this active setup. Being able to use the tone control in both active and passive is a big plus. The only thing if you will be switching between active and passive is the volume difference. It's not huge but still perceptible.
 
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I agree with everything Timmy-Watts says about active preamps.
On my Warmoth PJ build I had a Sadowsky preamp in it at one point, but I pulled it out. I have been happiest without it in the chain on that one. For some reason I like it even better than running passive with the preamp installed, effectively bypassing the preamp. I don't know if that was just in my head or not.

Something about how the aguilar system works all together though, I do enjoy this active setup. Being able to use the tone control in both active and passive is a big plus. The only thing if you will be switching between active and passive is the volume difference. It's not huge but still perceptible.
I haven't gotten along well with the Aguilar preamps I have had, but I do agree that passive is even better when a preamp is in the bass. I thought it was a mind thing for me, too. It's interesting... every passive bass I have installed an active/passive preamp in, I have thought the "new" passive was even better.
 
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Oops I think I worded that wrong. I like the passive sound better without the preamp, most of the time.
But it just goes to show how subjective many things are and how much everyone's preferences play into what we think is good. Or what sounds right to us.
I have had the aguilar 3 band pre in previous basses and I didn't care for it much.
The 2 band with tone control used in the classic on the other hand I really like. I also like what aguilar has done with their split coil jazz pickups. I normally do not care for split, or stacked jazz pickups, but these I actually enjoy the feel and sound of. I will not go as far as to say that they play just like a single coil, but I enjoy playing them almost as much.
 
I'm thinking I'd probably go passive. I don't use the preamp much on my Centurys - slight blend adjustments sometimes. I'm EQ'ing more these days but that's to get a more "passive p" kind of sound. It works pretty well and sounded good last night at rehearsal. I roll the treble back about 1/2 and boost than hi mids just a touch. If I want a more "P" tone I roll the blend to favor the neck pup. For church I leave it flat. I'm guessing that if I got a classic I'd just leave it flat and passive so why not just go passive.
 
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Oops I think I worded that wrong. I like the passive sound better without the preamp, most of the time.
But it just goes to show how subjective many things are and how much everyone's preferences play into what we think is good. Or what sounds right to us.
I have had the aguilar 3 band pre in previous basses and I didn't care for it much.
The 2 band with tone control used in the classic on the other hand I really like. I also like what aguilar has done with their split coil jazz pickups. I normally do not care for split, or stacked jazz pickups, but these I actually enjoy the feel and sound of. I will not go as far as to say that they play just like a single coil, but I enjoy playing them almost as much.

I have never cared for an Aguilar pre-amps, I was never able to dial in a tone I really liked. I have a friend running Nordstrand split coil J pickups with the 2 band Aggie and he loves it but to me it has a weird upper mid. The reason I like the East J-Tone is it has an internal gain adjustment so there is no difference in volume passive to active. If you have the bass and treble set flat, there isn't a change in tone between passive and active. I find myself using the active circuit as it gets that really nice modern bass tone. I keep treble flat and bass around 2 o'clock then I use the passive tone to dial in some nice tone.
 
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I played a passive 5 yesterday (Squire P5, not a Roscoe but all there was locally) and I enjoyed the rawness of passive and I think that less "modern/active/processed" sound would be a great option for me to have along with my "modern" Roscoes.

I was surprised at how well that $350 bass played and sounded. It was set up as well as my Roscoe. If I wasn't so spoiled I could save a lot of money.
 
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This one would sure look good next to my Custom Classic JJ.

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Classic Custom 5PJ Serial #0039c Alder body, Olympic White finish, Aguilar 5P-60 neck & 5J-HC bridge pickups, Aguilar OBP-1 preamp w/active-passive switching & passive tone control, Graphite-reinforced Maple neck, Pau Ferro fingerboard with White blocks & binding
 
Question for any owners of these or @Gard

I received my new Custom classic today and had a question.

The bass did not com in a Roscoe gig bag, it came in an aftermarket TKL bag, which is a nice bag - however there were no tools, warranty paperwork, or anything in any if the pockets. Should there have been any included? According to the ad, a Roscoe bag was included.

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I edited a bit of a lengthy post. Mostly just a question about the gig bag, tools, warranty info, etc.
 
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