This is simply how the state is legally required to list as the cause of death whenever a person dies as the result of the direct action of another person, whether it's a murder, killing in self defence, reckless manslaughter or no-fault accident.
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Run to Death
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This is simply how the state is legally required to list as the cause of death whenever a person dies as the result of the direct action of another person, whether it's a murder, killing in self defence, reckless manslaughter or no-fault accident.
+1 Thanks..though we can't compare an adult who has trained to a 5 year old who was dehydrated.
Horrible. Can't help but wonder who the 'witnesses,' who allege the crime, are. Odd. And really terrible and sad.
"Witnesses told deputies Savannah was told to run and not allowed to stop for three hours on Friday, an Etowah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman said."
Who are these "witnesses?" Why didn't they try to stop it? Something doesn't add up.
"Witnesses told deputies Savannah was told to run and not allowed to stop for three hours on Friday, an Etowah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman said."
Who are these "witnesses?" Why didn't they try to stop it? Something doesn't add up.
How long did witnesses see her run I wonder? If I saw a girl running in her back yard I may not think anything of it unless I was repeatedly watching.
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The two women may be charged with murder now but the murder charge will be reduced to a lesser charge.
There is no proof that the two women intentionally set out to murder the girl. Maybe the little girl had a health problem that will not be unveiled until an autopsy is performed.
There is no proof that the two women intentionally set out to murder the girl. Maybe the little girl had a health problem that will not be unveiled until an autopsy is performed.
I have a sickening feeling that these two won't get what they deserve. But I do hope they spend the rest of their miserable lives running. Running from responsibility. Running from truth. Running from justice. Running from peace. And hopefully a decade or two of running from other inmates and guards. May they never sleep.
Cheese - this is very timely. Thanks for posting this. This is the third awful story of child abuse I've heard in a week. I was late to work this morning because I read David Pelzer's book, "A Child Called 'It'". Several hours later, I am still in a depressed funk from what I read, and relating it to what I experienced myself.
Regarding 'witnesses' - this is a tough one. While we like to get on our internet tough-guy horses and ride in to save children from abuse everywhere - it is much more difficult in real life. Child abuse goes unrecognized EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME. And how does one get involved? How does one prove that child abuse IS ACTUALLY OCCURING? How does one intervene legally, and in a way to guarantee future actions stop? The parents lie about it, or teach the child to feel ashamed of it, or simply enough - NO ABUSE OCCURS WHEN OTHERS ARE WATCHING.
Honestly - this is where I wish for reinstatement of the "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" method of justice. If convicted, make the grandmother and step-mother run a proportional amount of time (if 3 hours to a child, X hours to an adult). I want to see them gasping for breath after 50 yards, knowing they have HOURS in front of them. Oh, what's that? They aren't in a physical condition to run for that long? The problem will take care of itself. Instead, if convicted, they will get to spend years in prison, on the taxpayer's dime.
Regarding 'witnesses' - this is a tough one. While we like to get on our internet tough-guy horses and ride in to save children from abuse everywhere - it is much more difficult in real life. Child abuse goes unrecognized EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME. And how does one get involved? How does one prove that child abuse IS ACTUALLY OCCURING? How does one intervene legally, and in a way to guarantee future actions stop? The parents lie about it, or teach the child to feel ashamed of it, or simply enough - NO ABUSE OCCURS WHEN OTHERS ARE WATCHING.
Honestly - this is where I wish for reinstatement of the "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" method of justice. If convicted, make the grandmother and step-mother run a proportional amount of time (if 3 hours to a child, X hours to an adult). I want to see them gasping for breath after 50 yards, knowing they have HOURS in front of them. Oh, what's that? They aren't in a physical condition to run for that long? The problem will take care of itself. Instead, if convicted, they will get to spend years in prison, on the taxpayer's dime.
Thanks!
But how does one stop abuse while it is occurring?
My father once threw a desk chair out the front door, and it almost hit our elderly neighbor as he walked to the local convenience store to get a pack of smokes. Was he observing a pattern of abuse, or just someone who didn't like that particular desk chair?
While on family band 'gigs', we had to smile as if we were enjoying it (most of them were in churches), or we would haev been hit with a drumstick (not the ice cream kind or a chicken leg...). No one ever knew the hell each of those moments represented. All they saw was the local version of the Von Trapp family singers playing the offertory during the service.
No one saw us get hit with rakes prior to caring for neighborhood lawns for money. Or when we had to breathe in the exhaust of the blower. They only saw a dad and his kids doing a couple of neighborhood lawns, making some extra cash.
No one could have intervened during that moment - it would have been exactly as it seemed. Was it hell? Absolutely - but it was only one isolated incident, seemingly innocent. Just like a kid running around outside for a few hours.
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Dr. Cheese, why do you fill yourself so much with this kind of stuff? Like a heat seeking missle, looking for injustice and/or insanity in he world, and then posting it here to fan it's flames (often for days) after it hits. While I know this is coming off as a criticism, I'm asking you as a pal. I try hard to fill myself with more positive stuff. There's just as much good stuff goin on in the world.
I'm guessing because the punishments she'd had in the past were more painful and she was trying to avoid them. Plus, most little kids are wired to bow to authority figures esp at that young of an age.
Nothing wrong with running as punishment per se. Not allowing (or forcing) her to rehydrate, and doing it for so long is why this is so terrible. Knowing the sort of (I'm assuming) useless trailer trash oxygen thieves her grand and step moms probably are, they may have given her a soda or something after she got done with the running and exacerbated the problem. A co-worker is from Arkansas, and apparently it's not uncommon to see people pouring soda into a baby bottle after getting the carbonation out.
Chebass88, sorry you went through all that but you miss the point- people testified to police what happened. When kids lives are at stake, you step in and intervene. They did not, but they saw enough to tell police the cause of death. Shame on them.
I think youre missing Chebass' point. All they saw was a little girl running... why exactly would that provoke someone to intervene? Intervene in what exactly? How was anyone to suspect what was going on?
