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RUNNING ON EMPTY (G.A.S.) ?

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Already own
2010 Trek EX 8 (26")
2014 Trek EX 8 (29")
2022 Revel Rail 29 (built & delivered new in 2024)

GAS for
Revel Rascal SL (29")
Pivot Trailcat LT (29")

The two Treks would fall into Cross Country these days 120mm front and rear. I believe they were considered trail bikes when they were new.

The Rail is Enduro or All Mountain. It's a big heavy bike and way more capable than I. 160mm front 155mm rear.

Rascal and Trailcat are mid travel trail bikes. A bit lighter than the Rail. Still more capable than I.

Light residual GAS for
Pivot Switchblade (29")

The Switchblade falls in pretty much the same category as the Rail.

There are lot's of other great bikes, but the models above have somewhat similar dimensions for reach and effective top tube. I have a long torso and short legs. Seems like most bikes are built for people with short torsos and long legs.

Potential future GAS
Amflow PL Carbon Pro (29"). This is a full power eMTB that weighs less than some very popular super light (SL) eMTBs. It has only recently become available in the US market. Part of me finds the idea of riding an eMTB distasteful, but I am approaching the age where I am starting to warm to the idea. Dimensions for effective top tube and reach go in the opposite direction for what I need.
The only excess gear I have is an Eden Rack amp set up largely replaced by Mesa WD-800 for convenience. The only reason I haven’t sold it is the market value of $0. This this is the best sounding rig I’ve ever owned. It’s a guality design and was extremely expensive when new. I spent about 10% of its retail price when new being patient and waiting for the right price and condition.

To day it’s a relic of a time long ago, and as I posted earlier this week, I can’t think of a commercial application where this rig capable of producing 1250 watts powering a bi amp rig would be needed. So for now, it’s job is keeping the dust from accumulation on one of my speaker cabs.
 
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My perception is 29 is better than 26 on most factors. AFAIK, the biggest advantage of 26" seems to be weight. Haven't tried a 27.5.

I think the initial transition was tough because there just weren’t many options available 10+ years ago. The wheel and tire choices were limited, and the bike geometry was still being figured out. That seems to have been sorted out.

I was rolling peek 00s trends on my DH bike with 3.0x26 front and 2.6x24 rear before I eventually moved to more of a park FR bike.

It’s not unlike the bass world. Coated strings weren’t wildly popular when introduced, but they’ve become quite common. The idea of IR and sims made a lot of users cringe just a few years ago when you basically had to run a Kemper or a laptop plugin. Now the market looks a lot different.

People are funny and their hobbies reflect that. It’s striking to think that many of these developments have happened in the last 100 years of human existence.
 
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Why do I/we keep proclaiming that we are satisfied and no more for me ? I was happy with the two Sadowsky basses I recently bought and done buying basses and I stop by GC and play this Squier PB that really did sound good for $200.00 , so I buy it . Now that I am all good , I stop in my favorite music store to hang and I find a "Holy Grail" an early model Seymour Duncan JB that had tone from the Gods .........you know I bought it . I am the bitch of G.A.S. . :banghead: :drool::vomit::rollno:
I don't look anymore. That's your problem right there. I have four very good basses that I can rely on so why keep looking?
 
This! OP, you need to look inside and really ask yourself whether you want or actually need more basses. There is a huge difference between want and need and most people don't understand this very simple concept. Once you do figure that out, you might just find that you already own too many basses and you'll want to sell some off and/or donate them.

AFAIC, basses are not trophies. If you have a few beautiful looking basses, that's a huge bonus. Basses are tools for making music and entertaining others at the end of the day. If you have too many tools, how can you use them all? How do you decide which one to use for a given show, gig, or recording? Too much paralysis analysis will end you up in trouble (been there, done that myself).


When I was still gigging I owned one bass amp and a guitar amp my brother gave me. I had two basses till close to the end. My first bass, which I still own, was a Ric 4001. Around 1995, I started playing a TRB6P in the military and wanted the same model for private use.

Towards the end of my playing career I collected 3-4 bass guitars. Part of this was an attempt to jump start my waning interest in doing the job. It had a minor impact at best.

After I stopped performing, I started collecting amps and added one or two additional basses. I have lost count of the number of amps I own. My guess is it's a bit above 60. Off the top of my head, I own 8 or 9 bass guitars and a NS Design EU6 electric upright.

None of this stuff really functions as a tool for me. I rotate through all of the amps more than I rotate through the 9-10 basses I own. I have quite a bit of PA gear that just sits. I do have sort of a 4-way lab system in my living room that I occasionally play CDs through.
 
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I don't look anymore. That's your problem right there. I have four very good basses that I can rely on so why keep looking?
Oh yeah. This right there. The grass is always greener on the other side. I delayed starting the house construction for years because I was looking for a "better" plot of land (I even had a list of preferences, so this wasn't just random mulling) than the one we already could have had from my mother in law (and which we did get after she passed away untimely from covid).
 
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Why do I/we keep proclaiming that we are satisfied and no more for me ? I was happy with the two Sadowsky basses I recently bought and done buying basses and I stop by GC and play this Squier PB that really did sound good for $200.00 , so I buy it . Now that I am all good , I stop in my favorite music store to hang and I find a "Holy Grail" an early model Seymour Duncan JB that had tone from the Gods .........you know I bought it . I am the bitch of G.A.S. . :banghead: :drool::vomit::rollno:
Youre not alone. I have bought three this past year. A Music Man Stingray and American pro 2 Jazz and Precision bass.
 
There are people who get pleasure from acquiring new things.
Nothing at all wrong with that.

There are people who see shortcomings in what they have and use that they think will be addressed by buying and using something different. Sometimes that is correct, and sometimes it doesn't work out that way.
Nothing at all wrong with that either.

And there are people who are content with what they have. @Stylee Mousse fits that bill. I haven't bought a new bass in 5 years. I have 4 basses, and three of those are very situational.

GAS is very real, for many people. But it's not as universal as some think.
 
My perception is 29 is better than 26 on most factors. AFAIK, the biggest advantage of 26" seems to be weight. Haven't tried a 27.5.
My son is an excellent MTBer and we live in a state where the trails are in mountains. The first time I rode an MTB over a rock garden... I needed no further convincing. I do have a 3.25 x 27.5 bike, excellent on sand. Between me and my son. We have only 4 MTB. He has pro racing friends and when it's time for another one. Just cal up a racer and see if he /she will part with his last year's bike for a steep discount or barter. Doing 29 and full suspension and carbon since 2015 on MTB... Carbon on roads maybe since 2001.

Like music, ride more and ride with others. I never had bke GAS and as a roadie I raced and commuted with the same biked and just changed wheelsets.If you have GAS. Possibly a wheel set and chain set upgrade is all you need.Also no more clips on MTB always maintain your bunny hop and manual skills. Yes a eMTB might be in the horizon. There is always a hill in NM or in Cali.

Back on topic. Talkbass is really about GAS. If you read and post here... It is inevitable. Partial cure is playing out. Stagnancy creates desires that must be fed
 
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Already own
2010 Trek EX 8 (26")
2014 Trek EX 8 (29")
2022 Revel Rail 29 (built & delivered new in 2024)

GAS for
Revel Rascal SL (29")
Pivot Trailcat LT (29")

The two Treks would fall into Cross Country these days 120mm front and rear. I believe they were considered trail bikes when they were new.

The Rail is Enduro or All Mountain. It's a big heavy bike and way more capable than I. 160mm front 155mm rear.

Rascal and Trailcat are mid travel trail bikes. A bit lighter than the Rail. Still more capable than I.

Light residual GAS for
Pivot Switchblade (29")

The Switchblade falls in pretty much the same category as the Rail.

There are lot's of other great bikes, but the models above have somewhat similar dimensions for reach and effective top tube. I have a long torso and short legs. Seems like most bikes are built for people with short torsos and long legs.

Potential future GAS
Amflow PL Carbon Pro (29"). This is a full power eMTB that weighs less than some very popular super light (SL) eMTBs. It has only recently become available in the US market. Part of me finds the idea of riding an eMTB distasteful, but I am approaching the age where I am starting to warm to the idea. Dimensions for effective top tube and reach go in the opposite direction for what I need.

This is why I’ve resisted buying a MTB. Cause I know this is the end result. That and jacked up wrists and shoulders. Nope.
 
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There are people who get pleasure from acquiring new things.
Nothing at all wrong with that.

There are people who see shortcomings in what they have and use that they think will be addressed by buying and using something different. Sometimes that is correct, and sometimes it doesn't work out that way.
Nothing at all wrong with that either.

And there are people who are content with what they have. @Stylee Mousse fits that bill. I haven't bought a new bass in 5 years. I have 4 basses, and three of those are very situational.

GAS is very real, for many people. But it's not as universal as some think.
I feel like it is truly an American thing. People in less developed countries more than likely dont have this issue. They seem to make due with very little. They are probably happier than most of us living in a more modern society with endless option as consumers. This is just my thoughts on this issue, though.
 
GAS for me is the need for something new and different from what I already have. I've bought and sold so many basses over my career that I have lost count. I currently have 7 basses and truly only need 2. I can honestly say that I am satisfied with what I currently have but that probably won't last.
 
My perception is 29 is better than 26 on most factors. AFAIK, the biggest advantage of 26" seems to be weight. Haven't tried a 27.5.
I agree on the 29er thing. I have a Santa Cruz carbon fiber 29" hardtail that for me is perfect. The 22 lb. weight doesn't hurt either! I also have a SC Bronson 27.5 duel suspension that is great. 26" is ancient history.
 
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This is why I’ve resisted buying a MTB. Cause I know this is the end result. That and jacked up wrists and shoulders. Nope.
It's worth it for me. Nothing gives me more joy at this time than (my lame impression) of ripping on my mountain bikes.

TLR if you are curious:
There's a saying: It's not a matter of if you will fall, but when. I usually have a couple of unplanned exits every year. I have been riding MTB since 2010, and so far no major injuries. The last ejection was the worst. Came around a sharp corner that dives down between two hills and got slapped in the face by a branch. This knocked me off my line causing my front wheel veer off the trail into soft dirt on steep incline. I was going pretty fast right at a small tree with nowhere to go. The bike basically high-sided and slammed me down face first on the trail. My lower lip was packed with dirt and my helmet was pulled down over my face. The bridge of my noise was skinned and a considerable amount of blood and clear yellowish fluid was oozing from the wound. I gathered myself and decided to finish the ride even though I was near an exit to the parking lot. I consider myself very lucky.

I don't ride super difficult trails, but I do ride fairly close to my limit. You don't have to push the envelope.

I would say the MTB hobby is pretty darn GAS inducing. The industry constantly pushes technology forward and bikes usually get major refreshes every 2 to 3 years. You don't necessarily have to fall victim to this. My 2010 Trek EX8 has been maintained and still rides great, despite being almost 15 years old. I bought this bike new and it was Trek's top of the line alloy frame bike. I think I paid $2.3K. Trek offers a range of EX9 builds that are pretty much the same geometry in carbon fiber; at a much higher price.

Pretty sure if you do some research, you can buy a decent full-squish trail bike for about $1000 retail; maybe less if you catch a good sale. A lot of people rave about a $500 full-squish you can buy at Walmart. I think the Walmart bike will most likely need upgrades for an adult if they have any real desire to ride trails, specifically the fork.

In 2010 29ers were starting to become popular and eventually my gas started to build. I bought my 2014 EX8 29er off Ebay around 2016 for less than half the new price. It did have some wear and tear.

What I have bought for the Treks:
  • Pedals--MTBs don't typically come with pedals. My 2010 came with candy clip ins. For trail riding I prefer flats.
  • The 2014 is difficult to get into the air, so I bought a carbon handle bar, which did not help much.
  • The original (wider) handle bar for the 2014 is now on the 2010.
  • The stock seat post on the 2014 was a few mm to long. I bought a shorter post mint off Ebay.
  • Tires and routine maintenance.
Trek used proprietary Fox DRCV shocks on these bikes. New spares are no longer available and you can't just buy an off the shelf shock for these bikes as the length and stroke are non-standard. Fox no longer offers factory service for the IFP part of the shock. Trek was able to service the IFP on both of my shocks last year, but they had to be sent off. I bought a spare shock for both bikes.

I never really thought I would go for a carbon bike due to the cost. I came across some YouTube videos on the Revel Rail that really spoke to me, but the X0 build with carbon wheels that I wanted was almost $9K. I had GAS but couldn't justify spending that much. When Revel offered the build I wanted at 40% off during a Black Friday sale, I gave into the to GAS. After I placed the order I noticed the sale build subbed a lower spec fork and handle bar.

A week or so later Revel called to let me know they had accidently oversold and were out of frames. They gave me the option of a refund or I could wait till the next frame order came in. Since it was mid-winter and I felt I had gotten a really good deal, I decided to wait. I wound up receiving the bike in the following February. The bike had the lower spec alloy handlebar but the top end fork (ZEB Ultimate).

I ordered a carbon handle bar, which was not really necessary. Since I have short legs, I also had to order a 125mm dropper post. Stock for a large frame is 175mm. I already had a spare set of Shimano Saint pedals.
 
It's worth it for me. Nothing gives me more joy at this time than (my lame impression) of ripping on my mountain bikes.

TLR if you are curious:
There's a saying: It's not a matter of if you will fall, but when. I usually have a couple of unplanned exits every year. I have been riding MTB since 2010, and so far no major injuries. The last ejection was the worst. Came around a sharp corner that dives down between two hills and got slapped in the face by a branch. This knocked me off my line causing my front wheel veer off the trail into soft dirt on steep incline. I was going pretty fast right at a small tree with nowhere to go. The bike basically high-sided and slammed me down face first on the trail. My lower lip was packed with dirt and my helmet was pulled down over my face. The bridge of my noise was skinned and a considerable amount of blood and clear yellowish fluid was oozing from the wound. I gathered myself and decided to finish the ride even though I was near an exit to the parking lot. I consider myself very lucky.

I don't ride super difficult trails, but I do ride fairly close to my limit. You don't have to push the envelope.

I would say the MTB hobby is pretty darn GAS inducing. The industry constantly pushes technology forward and bikes usually get major refreshes every 2 to 3 years. You don't necessarily have to fall victim to this. My 2010 Trek EX8 has been maintained and still rides great, despite being almost 15 years old. I bought this bike new and it was Trek's top of the line alloy frame bike. I think I paid $2.3K. Trek offers a range of EX9 builds that are pretty much the same geometry in carbon fiber; at a much higher price.

Pretty sure if you do some research, you can buy a decent full-squish trail bike for about $1000 retail; maybe less if you catch a good sale. A lot of people rave about a $500 full-squish you can buy at Walmart. I think the Walmart bike will most likely need upgrades for an adult if they have any real desire to ride trails, specifically the fork.

In 2010 29ers were starting to become popular and eventually my gas started to build. I bought my 2014 EX8 29er off Ebay around 2016 for less than half the new price. It did have some wear and tear.

What I have bought for the Treks:
  • Pedals--MTBs don't typically come with pedals. My 2010 came with candy clip ins. For trail riding I prefer flats.
  • The 2014 is difficult to get into the air, so I bought a carbon handle bar, which did not help much.
  • The original (wider) handle bar for the 2014 is now on the 2010.
  • The stock seat post on the 2014 was a few mm to long. I bought a shorter post mint off Ebay.
  • Tires and routine maintenance.
Trek used proprietary Fox DRCV shocks on these bikes. New spares are no longer available and you can't just buy an off the shelf shock for these bikes as the length and stroke are non-standard. Fox no longer offers factory service for the IFP part of the shock. Trek was able to service the IFP on both of my shocks last year, but they had to be sent off. I bought a spare shock for both bikes.

I never really thought I would go for a carbon bike due to the cost. I came across some YouTube videos on the Revel Rail that really spoke to me, but the X0 build with carbon wheels that I wanted was almost $9K. I had GAS but couldn't justify spending that much. When Revel offered the build I wanted at 40% off during a Black Friday sale, I gave into the to GAS. After I placed the order I noticed the sale build subbed a lower spec fork and handle bar.

A week or so later Revel called to let me know they had accidently oversold and were out of frames. They gave me the option of a refund or I could wait till the next frame order came in. Since it was mid-winter and I felt I had gotten a really good deal, I decided to wait. I wound up receiving the bike in the following February. The bike had the lower spec alloy handlebar but the top end fork (ZEB Ultimate).

I ordered a carbon handle bar, which was not really necessary. Since I have short legs, I also had to order a 125mm dropper post. Stock for a large frame is 175mm. I already had a spare set of Shimano Saint pedals.

I plan to climb well into my 50s. And at 5.14 level in my 40s I can't afford anything to go wrong. One stack on a bike and my climbing career could be over. In fact 75% of the time I see people in the gym with injuries they got them MTBing.

But I see why you love it. Maybe one day.
 
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