Ilovepink said:
Don't worry... they're handmade gigbags. They're magical.
I said "I've never been" not "I never will". Unless you can go back in time, my past record for clumsiness will not change. Guess you didn't expect that.
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Sadowsky hardshell case vs. gig bag??
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Don't worry... they're handmade gigbags. They're magical.
I said "I've never been" not "I never will". Unless you can go back in time, my past record for clumsiness will not change. Guess you didn't expect that.
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i have a sort of love / hate relationship with the mooradian bags. they're much lighter and easier on the shoulder than my levi cordura / pleather gig bag, but IMHO feel like they'd tear if i caught the wrong end of a subway platform railing.
i say get the sadowsky flightcase for traveling and general storage, but buy a levi's cordura for the mass transit.
i say get the sadowsky flightcase for traveling and general storage, but buy a levi's cordura for the mass transit.
Ilovepink said:
Who died and made you Queen of All ""High End"" Bass Customers? Perhaps they're responding to their real customers' needs.
My opinion on the the Ultralite, for the great unwashed:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155476
lump said:
It's a self-appointed position.
It's also the latest thing, an electronic vendetta
. Substitute "Sadowsky" for "Moriarty" and the game's afoot!Just be thankful someone's looking out for you
Gigbags are bad for folks who have difficulty with the packing order of a vehicle:
"Should I put the SVT on top of the bass or the bass on the SVT?
Or difficulty tuning an instrument:
"It was fine when I put it in the bag. How will I ever figure out which one is out of tune now??
Or have problems with curves:
"I like squares. I really like rectangles. Dammit"
Or are just generally comforted by overkill that could supposedly compensate for a momentary lapse of judgement, like leaning your case against a stranger's car who then drives off or using it as a step to strike a pose while having a conversation about what the poor people are carrying their basses in this year.
I can carry two basses in the trunk of my Miata, my amp and speaker up front and easily get to a gig. The idea that I'd "need" an ATA case is silly... I'd also need to use another vehicle or a trailer. Might as well hire craft services.
"Clumsiness" can be greatly reduced by ANTICPATING stuff. A bass can't put itself in harm's way.
actually, this seems to be a good of a place as any to ask. About 18 years ago i purchased a blue cordoura padded gig bag that was an "under cover". It's still going strong and has to be the toughest gig bag i've ever seen. I wonder if they are still made, or what is the toughest gig bag around these days?
Of course, it has to be hand made..................
Of course, it has to be hand made..................
The regular Sadowsky ultralight case like everything with the Sadowsky name, is a work of art.
Having said that, I don't like it.
At the end of the day it's just a couple of slabs of styrofoam and never really gave me the level of confidence I want in a hard case.
The ultralight case is also so close to the size of a ATA case that I've frequently thought of putting the guts of it into my ATA case.
90% of the time a good gig bag is fine but I would prefer his new style case just for a little less to worry about.
The other 10% of the time I use an ATA case. It's no fun to carry but the peace of mind is worth it x2.
FWIW you can get a REAL ATA case off E-bay new for $200 plus shipping.
Having said that, I don't like it.
At the end of the day it's just a couple of slabs of styrofoam and never really gave me the level of confidence I want in a hard case.
The ultralight case is also so close to the size of a ATA case that I've frequently thought of putting the guts of it into my ATA case.
90% of the time a good gig bag is fine but I would prefer his new style case just for a little less to worry about.
The other 10% of the time I use an ATA case. It's no fun to carry but the peace of mind is worth it x2.
FWIW you can get a REAL ATA case off E-bay new for $200 plus shipping.
Wow, the Sadowsky zealots once again show how insecure and nasty they are. For the record I wouldn't care it it were a Sadowsky, Reunion Blues, Fodera, Ken Smith, Warwick whatever gigbag. Gigbags are comfortable, lightweight and do not offer any real protection for the instrument. IMHO that may be OK for a $200.00 SX from Rondo Music but it is not OK for a bass costing thousands. Status for an example come with a very nice lightweight hard case included. I don't see why other basses that are in the same price range do not do the same.
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The "Sadowsky zealots", including myself, don't like it when someone forces their opinon as fact.Ilovepink said:
Giving a customer the option to get a gig bag instead of the Standard hardshell case is a good option to the customers that do not want a hearshell case.
Why does every company have to do the same thing? If they did, they'd all be the same company.Ilovepink said:
Whether we disagree or agree, I would appreciate if you could change your signature to
"hand made prices for hand jobs". Just a suggestion.
"hand made prices for hand jobs". Just a suggestion.
JimS said:Whether we disagree or agree, I would appreciate if you could change your signature to
"hand made prices for hand jobs". Just a suggestion.
That's a good one. You really got me. Will I be invited to your third grade graduation party? I will bring a bag of chips
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Ilovepink said:That's a good one. You really got me. Will I be invited to your third grade graduation party? I will bring a bag of chips
Ilovepink said:
I'll try to make this as simple as possible...
They don't because they are not selling everything to people like you.
I have more high end basses than most people... I've been fortunate that way. They are all in excellent condition and they all go on gigs. Lots of gigs. LOCAL gigs that do not require the instruments to be out of my sight.
Can you even imagine this scenario? Apparently not.
BTW none of them are Sadowskys. So much for this zealot nonsense. This is more fundamentally silly that just thinking it's tied to brand loyalty.
My F Basses are in factory bags. So is my Fodera. Maybe you can go after them next.
I'll make it even simpler...
I DON'T LIKE HARD SHELL CASES!!!
They're typically bigger and far clumsier than any of my gig bags. The Tolex covered HSCs I've seen aren't very durable. So why should I buy one? All of the basses I've purchased new came with a HSC... and I immediately put them in the closet.
Define "real" protection? Are we talking minor mishaps or really boneheaded moves? Falling off a chair or OMIGOD IT'S A METEOR!!!?
The Ultralite cases are typically Cordura (same as gigbags), foam and a couple of sheets of cardboard. I'm sure it's really good handmade cardboard but still...
They don't call them shipping bags, they're GIGbags.
I gig. A gigbag is perfect for what I do.
There seems to be a misconception that a regular rectangular wooden or plastic hard case is more protective than the Ultralite. My experience is the opposite. About 4 years ago I attempted to try some more conventional cases and I had a record amount of shipping damage to both the cases and the instruments. With the Ultralite, the worst that will happen is the case gets damaged. I have never had an instrument get damaged in one of them. Several of my working customers have flown with the Ultralight for years with no problems other than wear and tear to the case.
Regarding flight cases---I have always recommended to my clients that if they genuinely need a flight case, they have the case made to fit the instrument in a gig bag. That way, when you get where you are going, you can park the case somewhere and tool around with the gig bag.
The best cases I have seen are carbon-graphite. Light as a feather and strong enough to put through luggage. Only problem is they cost $1200.
I don't think I will have too many people lining up for that one.
As for the working musicians I know, the overwhelming majority use gig bags. Guys on tour with a major band will tend to have custom trunks.
Bottom line is we try to offer everyone a choice.
Roger
Regarding flight cases---I have always recommended to my clients that if they genuinely need a flight case, they have the case made to fit the instrument in a gig bag. That way, when you get where you are going, you can park the case somewhere and tool around with the gig bag.
The best cases I have seen are carbon-graphite. Light as a feather and strong enough to put through luggage. Only problem is they cost $1200.
I don't think I will have too many people lining up for that one.
As for the working musicians I know, the overwhelming majority use gig bags. Guys on tour with a major band will tend to have custom trunks.
Bottom line is we try to offer everyone a choice.
Roger
Brad Johnson said:I'll try to make this as simple as possible...
They don't because they are not selling everything to people like you.
I have more high end basses than most people... I've been fortunate that way. They are all in excellent condition and they all go on gigs. Lots of gigs. LOCAL gigs that do not require the instruments to be out of my sight.
Can you even imagine this scenario? Apparently not.
BTW none of them are Sadowskys. So much for this zealot nonsense. This is more fundamentally silly that just thinking it's tied to brand loyalty.
My F Basses are in factory bags. So is my Fodera. Maybe you can go after them next.
I'll make it even simpler...
I DON'T LIKE HARD SHELL CASES!!!
They're typically bigger and far clumsier than any of my gig bags. The Tolex covered HSCs I've seen aren't very durable. So why should I buy one? All of the basses I've purchased new came with a HSC... and I immediately put them in the closet.
Define "real" protection? Are we talking minor mishaps or really boneheaded moves? Falling off a chair or OMIGOD IT'S A METEOR!!!?
The Ultralite cases are typically Cordura (same as gigbags), foam and a couple of sheets of cardboard. I'm sure it's really good handmade cardboard but still...
They don't call them shipping bags, they're GIGbags.
I gig. A gigbag is perfect for what I do.
Well BRAVO! I am so glad that you love gigbags. Great, wonderful. I am also really, really greatful that you have a lot of high end basses. Woooooo hoooooo, yippedee!
IMHO I don't like gigbags. IMHO I think it sucks that basses from any brand that cost thousands come with a gigbag instead of a hardshell case. IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO,IMHO!
Now, what other topic would you wonderful, kind, wise and benevolent folks would you all like to gang tackle me on?
That's not funny. Third grade was one of the more difficult two year periods of my life.Ilovepink said:That's a good one. You really got me. Will I be invited to your third grade graduation party? I will bring a bag of chips
Wow, and I suppose all of these high-end luthiers just don't know jack when they offer thick gig bags instead of "Fender-like" thin-wood tolex cases. Fodera, MTD/Tobias, Sadowsky, F Bass, and a host of others ALL prefer a thick, quality gig bag to a standard hardshell case for their quality basses.
I have been using a quality, thick gig bag that I got directly from Mike Tobias years ago, it was actually used by Mike himself prior to me purchasing it from him. I've had 5 or 6 basses that used this bag through the years, never a single one got damaged. I've flown with them, had them in overhead compartments, I've gate-checked them, had them fall off of tables, fall over when leaned against a wall, dropped them, etc. etc. and NOT ONE SINGLE BIT OF DAMAGE to any of the basses I've owned when using this case. The case itself still remains looking like brand new, even ever almost 10 years of heavy use.
In contrast, I gate-checked one of my basses once in a "standard" hardshell tolex case, and the bass came back with a crack at the headstock despite no apparent damage to the case. This is fairly common with shock damage to stiff wood cases. So much for "more protection". I'll take a thick, absorbent gig bag any day.
Of course, YMMV . . .
I have been using a quality, thick gig bag that I got directly from Mike Tobias years ago, it was actually used by Mike himself prior to me purchasing it from him. I've had 5 or 6 basses that used this bag through the years, never a single one got damaged. I've flown with them, had them in overhead compartments, I've gate-checked them, had them fall off of tables, fall over when leaned against a wall, dropped them, etc. etc. and NOT ONE SINGLE BIT OF DAMAGE to any of the basses I've owned when using this case. The case itself still remains looking like brand new, even ever almost 10 years of heavy use.
In contrast, I gate-checked one of my basses once in a "standard" hardshell tolex case, and the bass came back with a crack at the headstock despite no apparent damage to the case. This is fairly common with shock damage to stiff wood cases. So much for "more protection". I'll take a thick, absorbent gig bag any day.
Of course, YMMV . . .
