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Save Me From Myself

#21
I'm with Wasnex: I'd bet money that rig will not sound the same elsewhere, hell, even in the same room on another day.

If only it were possible: IF anyone could make a bass rig that sounded exactly the same from room to room from season to season, they'd laugh all the way to many banks. Unfortunately . . . . . physics conspires against us, and whether you're one of the top professional traveling sound contractors out with the biggest tours in the world, a fixed installation in some grand hotel performance space, or some bubba like me sweating it out in a VFW with an old Peavey in North Florida, it changes from night to night and place to place. For me, the BIGGEST frustration by far in finding my tone. I found it a few times . . . . . in 20 years.

Certainly proven gear, no problem there, but I'd be dumbstruck if you hit paydirt every night and every place.
 
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For a wise and creative cabinet maker, this thread is already a treasure-trove of market research and will probably grow to be even more helpful. Who's going to be first to understand what a segment of the bass-player market is looking for and invent the great-sounding 4x10 cab (or equivalent) with the weight of a 1x12? Can it be done!? Stay tuned, ladies and gentlemen, for our next exciting episode.
 
#26
Eden is/was great stuff, but there are really great options out there (including DNA) that are much easier to schlep. If you’re looking for a house rig that will never move, go for it. If you need to take a rig to rehearsal and gigs, keep looking.
 
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I had an Eden 4-10 cab about 8 years ago. I let another bassist with the other band at the same club play it, and I couldn't believe how great it sounded way at the back of the hall, even without going through the FOH support. On it's own, the best sounding cabinet I've ever had. That said, I've gone to 2-10 lighter cabinets, using one or two as needed, and they're so much easier to move around! Most of my gigs are either acoustic, or have pretty good FOH support, so the 4-10 cab days are over for me.
 
#31
Right as the COVID hit, a friend gave me a gutted Eden D410XLT cabinet. I had some Eminence 10's - (2) Neos and (2) CA-10. The crossover/input plate had been stripped, so I ordered a Eminence High-pass crossover and a 100 watt L-pad. I had a tweeter that I got out of a old SWR cabinet, so I began one of my lockdown projects. It sounded pretty darn sweet after reassembly, and it has set in my music room until last week. Played a gig at a local festival - in a BIG hall ! Decided it was time to try it out. Yes, it is heavy, yes, it is a PITA to haul around, and yes - it sounds VERY good. I do not know how often I will get to use it - I usually play through a Avatar 2x10 with either a 1x12" or a 1x15" cabinet added. I may eventually send it on to someone else, but for now - I will keep it for those gigs where I need to bring out the "big guns" !
 

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#32
BassPilot said:
Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
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Some 800rb love here (there's plenty on this site about 800rb's) ... I play through a house system usually so my 800 rb sits unused at the house most of the time. But the last time we played in a gymnasium ... I brought my swr henry, 800rb and an mb-200. We a/b'd the two heads during sound checks ... I got tone dialed in so we couldn't tell much different ... got the volume set in the mix so they were about the same. Our sound guy could pick out the punch of the RB EVERY time we played. Using a pick (I rarely do) made it much more pronounced. Although I had a tough time picking it out ... he got it everytime ... including when we lied and tried to trick him. That head is a tank ... I happened to play through one with Hartke cabs way back when I 1st started. so it's an amp I know and trust. I prefer now playing through a henry with a 2x8 or 2x10 for the upper amp section and the 8x8 for the lower. I love when we get the opportunity to break that out. Last time I got to use that set-up live was maybe 3 or 4 years ago.
 
#33
Don't buy a lead filled 410, unless you can get it for so cheap that you don't mind giving it to high school kid in a couple years. I wad glad to trade my Ampeg 410. Now I have a pair of SVT 15Es that no one seems to want. Go lightweight
 
#34
BassPilot said:
Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
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My back wins this argument every time. I don't use any gear that I can't easily lift with one hand.
 
#36
BassPilot said:
Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
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Pair the D800 or TT-800 with a Subway 212, imo will be at least if not much more impressive than the Eden and it’s like 50lbs.
 
#37
BobDeRosa said:
Who's going to be first to understand what a segment of the bass-player market is looking for and invent the great-sounding 4x10 cab (or equivalent) with the weight of a 1x12? Can it be done!?
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My SWR 410 (Golight) is only 56 pounds. Getting there. Not quite yet. I'd certainly be towards the head of the line for such a beast.

And speaking of, my rig sound has always been consistent. GK MB head, SWR 410. Or two 410s, hehehehehe. I rarely use EQ unless it's a huge booming hall which, thankfully, I've only dealt with a couple of times. Then I just knock out a little low mids.

OP, my gut suspicion is this; you have good cabs. Really good. I suspect you're less in love with the XLT and more in love with the 800RB. Which has a tone VERY unlike the amps you currently have. And frankly, having gigged it's little brother, the 400RB, for about five years, I'm not shocked you fell in love with the sound. They are very distinct amps that get your bass through any mix.
 
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