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Save Me From Myself

BassPilot

BassPilot

Oct 14, 2016
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Petaluma, California
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Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
 
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BassPilot said:
Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
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So, I had this setup years ago until I got fed up with moving the 4x10", so I sold it and bought two Eden D210xlts. But truthfully, they're damned heavy too.
 
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Man. I feel you on this OP. I never owned, but played through a lot of Eden stuff in the early 2000s. I couldn't afford it back then, but was strong enough to carry it around without issue. Fast forward 15 years, and I now have the cash to get what I want but a blown-out back. I had major surgery in April and am just now getting back to moving around stuff in the 30-40lb range. I will probably never be able to lug those solid lead cabs of yesteryear again. Thankfully I sold my 96lb Ampeg 410 a few months before my back blew out, and I'm about ready to finally let go of my 70ish lb Ampeg Heritage SVT410HLF. I really like that cab, but no way can I move that thing around any more.

Now I have Mesa Subway 115 and 210 cabs that are much more manageable and sound great, but they don't sound like those sweet old XLTs!

If your back can withstand it, I say go for it! Enjoy it extra hard in my honor, haha!
 
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I would be careful about making a snap decision based on your experience at one event. Take the same exact rig on another gig, and you might think it sounds awful. IMHO the most significant factor in whether you get a good sound relates more to acoustics than the gear you use. Yes using good gear helps, but bad acoustics can make the best gear sound bad.

The misleading part is sometimes you have a gig where the sound is simply incredible. Acoustics and the way sound propagates is complex, and occasionally serendipity occurs, meaning a bunch of factors balance out/align just right so you get stellar sound.

Unfortunately you tend to get crappy sound more often than great sound.

So I am not saying an 800RB and D410XLT is not a nice rig...I am saying there is a good chance it won't always sound as great as it did at the jam session.

Before you invest in old, heavy gear considered getting a bit more perspective.

For the record I have quite a bit of experience with both the 800RB and D410XLT. Never played both at the same time, but I toured with each for a couple of years. These are nice sounding pieces, but they are also old and extremely heavy by today's standards.
 
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BassPilot said:
Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
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BassPilot said:
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
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I would say that you have some pretty darn good amplification equipment already ... and all of it is reasonably portable. Stick and stay with whatcha got would be my advice.
 
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BassPilot said:
Thanks for all your input.
I'm pretty sure I'm sticking with what I have as I like all of it. And I know how a rig can sound different in various venues - and not always pleasing.
But that sound....that sound....oooof!
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That's what eq is for...

I for one have never owned anything bigger than 2x10 except briefly 2 Hiwatt 4x12s back in the 70s before I even had a car licence.
 
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Played Eden cabinets for many years and they do sound sweet. Played 2x10’ and 1x15’s. Finally had to dump them, way too heavy. The 2x10’s were about 75 lbs and the 1x15’s were about 60. Went the lightweight route with Markbass with a 2x10 combo and a 2x10 cabinet and together they weigh less than one of the 2x10 Eden cabinets. Sounds different, not better not worse, but very good.
 
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BassPilot said:
Monday night I played at a jam session hosted by a guitar player who subs in my band.
The house bass rig was a GK RB800 and and Eden D410XLT.
I have played through Eden 210's and 410's and always loved them. But I was smitten with the tone I got Monday night. This, coupled with a really good drummer and I was free to explore the world of music. I WANT AN EDEN D410XLT!!!
But, 100 lbs of cab, even with wheels and a ramp to get it into my van seems too much to haul around. BUT, it sounds so absolutely AMAZING!
I currently have a Mesa D800 and TT-800 (Both Great amps) and a GB Streamliner 900. I think the Mesa heads would pair wonderfully with the Eden. My current cabs are Berg HDN-210, 2xCN112 and a HG310.
What do I do?

Signed,

Dazed and Confused
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What makes you think the cab had more to do with it than the head? Those older GK heads are known for some great tone and punch.

I had the 210 version of that Eden cab, and an Eden Metro combo (back when Eden was all the rage and I jumped on the bandwagon). I never could get a usable tone from the stuff.
 

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