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Scammers are getting better and better

Some of the wording chosen is the British usage and not American; however, the rest of the letter strongly suggests that he's not a native English speaker. Hmm...who has very poor English and the English they do have is British?
I'm thinking Eastern Europe, Europe, Africa, and most 3rd World Countries (the ones that aren't French speaking). That's a big red flag to me. That and he doesn't seem to know much about the oil industry based on a couple of things that he said...makes me suspicious.
 
Always just look for someone who refers to the product by name/color/model in the response. When they say is "it" still available, this is a red flag.

I use Paypal on a regular basis with no problems...you just have to be smart about who you're dealing with. Whenever I inquire about something, I say something like "Hi there, I was wondering if the black 2000 MusicMan Stingray5 you have for sale is still available?" That way the other person should be able to distinguish that it's not automated and I'm an actual bass player interested in the actual product he's selling.
 
Even eBay is **** anymore. Anyone can easily bypass any buyer requirements or restrictions you put in your listings. For instance, I've had two items "sold" in the past week to buyers who didn't meet my feedback threshold, nor my requirement that they have a shipping address in the US.

The scammers, while still easily spotted, are fraking everywhere.
 
My cousin is a post master with the U.S. Postal Service. He told me to always pay by bank check or money order, a postal money order is even better. Then send it via U.S. Mail.

If the seller does not ship the item or it is not as described, they have committed mail fraud which is punishable by up to 20 years in prison and fines up to $1,000,000. If the buyer commits fraud, the same penalties apply.

Unfortunately, they may go to jail, if the USPS can find them, but you'll still be out the money. IME, the courts are not collection agencies. If you do get your money returned, it will be years away since it's evidence in a crime investigation.
 
I've gotten stuff like,

"I would like to buy your bass, but I have sexually harassed many times on craigslist. I would like to meet you, but am afraid you might do the same. How can I trust you?"

And

"I'll pick your amp up next week. Here's how it's going to work, give me your home address and routing number to checking account. I will deposit the money in your account two to three weeks before I pick it up."

You gotta love that kind of stuff :D.