Screamo?

[Korladis]

decent band. mediocre mix. terrible vocals.

this is the problem i have with most thrash bands.

im like "yea.. i like the waste" "duuuude you should totally try out toxic holocaust" and then they suck.

The late great Peter Steele had an awesome voice. Clearly you have no taste. "Jesus Hitler" is a great song.

Mediocre mix? Lots of great music doesn't have the best production quality, often because bands couldn't afford it. Unless the sound quality is absolutely unbearable, I really don't get this complaint when evaluating underground metal bands.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

 

[sonic assassin]

The late great Peter Steele had an awesome voice. Clearly you have no taste. "Jesus Hitler" is a great song.

Mediocre mix? Lots of great music doesn't have the best production quality, often because bands couldn't afford it. Unless the sound quality is absolutely unbearable, I really don't get this complaint when evaluating underground metal bands.

my mixes are better than that and i work out of my basement on 300 dollar monitors.

i like street punk and i like thrash metal, but only if they mix is tolerable. it doesnt have to be john feldman shiny, but if i know i can do it better in an hour, i cant tolerate it.

and for the record, tony guardrail forresta is exponentially better than peter steele

 

[60's Bluesman]

i cant stand screamo, its annoying as hell. personaly i like to listen to songs that have a point to them, screamo songs are about death or a fictional war 95% of the time. caant wait til this fad passes on

 

[Korladis]

my mixes are better than that and i work out of my basement on 300 dollar monitors.

i like street punk and i like thrash metal, but only if they mix is tolerable. it doesnt have to be john feldman shiny, but if i know i can do it better in an hour, i cant tolerate it.

and for the record, tony guardrail forresta is exponentially better than peter steele

Psh, no taste.

You can do better now maybe. That mix is better than most in metal. If production not being all shiny really bothers you, you're listening to the wrong genre.

 

[sonic assassin]

Psh, no taste.

You can do better now maybe. That mix is better than most in metal. If production not being all shiny really bothers you, you're listening to the wrong genre.

listen to municipal waste. perfect timing, great audio quality, no sacrifices made. plenty thrashy.

perfection.

and i expect tolerable production out of everything i listen to.

 

[powellmacaque]

I've tried giving screamo a shot and I just can't get into it. Stubbing your toe on the coffee table should not inspire a love song. All kidding aside though I just can't understand a single word that's being screamed/sung. It's just noise to me. Talentless noise.



I wouldn't argue that. I don't like a lot of slipknot's music I was just using those 2 songs as an example. Screamo is not pushing any musical boundries. The instrumentals might be great but getting past that inaudible getting murdered sound created by the frontman (I refuse to recognize as a singer) is almost impossible for me. I disrespect screamo because I don't beleave the genre's earned any respect. It's whole purpose is to piss off 13yro goth/emo kids parents and make middle school outcast seem deep and violent.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's talentless.

Imagine living in the 60s and hearing overdriven guitar for the first time? I bet there were people who thought Hendrix was talentless too.

Is Robert Plant talentless? I mean, his voice is not as well crafted as Old Blue Eyes (Frank Sinatra), so he must be talentless, with all that orgasm-esque moaning mid song. He must be appealing to only strung out teens who are sex hungry.

And your screen name is very suiting sir, for you are a faux punk. If you were in fact a real punk, you would realize that talent does not equal musical significance.

I ask, can you scream? Have you tried? How about doing it for a 200 day tour? Now, for some melodic screamo bands (such as Thursday) do you think you could go from wailing and screaming to singing in a head voice (that's upper range, just in case you don't know) to singing in your chest voice to low growls? Try it for a week, let me know how much talent it doesn't require.

Now try writing lyrics to something not in 4/4 and not in a major or minor key. Now try placing those lyrics into a musical form where the "selling point" is how "emotive" you can make it. Once again, if you think you can do this easily, send me an mp3, I'd be glad to hear.

Again, you're talking about "the fans" and the fans don't make a genre. I guarantee you The Locust did not sit around a table one day and say "hey, how can we piss off 13 year old kids' parents?". So no, that is NOT its whole purpose. (Side note: the goth movement has literally NOTHING to do with anything screamo/emo/punk/etc)

I can respect the fact that you don't like it. There's plenty of music that I don't like, in fact I really cannot get into most metal, pop, modern rock, or country. I'm not saying you have to like it. But bastardizing and generalizing an entire genre into "talentless noise" is just juvenile.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

i cant stand screamo, its annoying as hell. personaly i like to listen to songs that have a point to them, screamo songs are about death or a fictional war 95% of the time. caant wait til this fad passes on

There's lyrics?

 

[Spoonman462]

Envy are really great, although they kinda transcend the "screamo" label. Kind of an awesome blend of post-rock and hardcore

 

[PaulMacCnj]

My daughter's listening to Screamo might very well be my father's revenge on me for having him put up with my music. He was into Big Band music; Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Tommy Dorsey, etc. While I like that music, I've always enjoyed Rock the best. So, I was listening to bands like The Who, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc. then later on it was The Clash, Elvis Costello, The Police, Joe Jackson, etc.. In all cases of my music, my father would say, "What the hell is that $#&*?" Now, I'm asking the same question about my daughter's music selections!

 

[baron665]

Wouldn't say that at all. Sick of it All and Agnostic Front are still going strong these days. There are a whole hoard of similar bands, both new and old still on the go.

I was answering an earlier quote of someone who said that hardcore was dead. I meant, that "even if" hardcore was dead, I would prefer it to emo/screamo. And I like Sick Of It All. They are one of the few bands today that can be considered True Hardcore.

 

[baron665]

Ever listen to Gallows, Strike Anywhere or Comeback Kid?

yes, no, yes. Don't care for em.

 

[baron665]

i would. because all of those bands are terrible. i could care less what they are technically called.

despised icon is clearly deathcore. i hear pig squeals. dead giveaway. granted they are a little more hardcore than death metal, but death metal none the less.

Deathcore I can agree with you on. But It's not Death Metal. It's pig squeels over metalcore-ish music. It's like calling Slipknot or System of a Down Death Metal bands.

 

[tom once dead]

I think its fairly safe to say slipknot are metal. I'm not defending them, but people always go around saying they aren't even metal, thats just stupid.

 

[faust23]

frankly, im a fan of a little thing called MUSIC, and last i checked its as organic as i gets and with bands like sunnO))) theres no limit to the category, the problem with screamo is, theres just way more bad screamo bands than there is good

 

[xxfaux_punkxx]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's talentless.

Imagine living in the 60s and hearing overdriven guitar for the first time? I bet there were people who thought Hendrix was talentless too.

Is Robert Plant talentless? I mean, his voice is not as well crafted as Old Blue Eyes (Frank Sinatra), so he must be talentless, with all that orgasm-esque moaning mid song. He must be appealing to only strung out teens who are sex hungry.

And your screen name is very suiting sir, for you are a faux punk. If you were in fact a real punk, you would realize that talent does not equal musical significance.

I ask, can you scream? Have you tried? How about doing it for a 200 day tour? Now, for some melodic screamo bands (such as Thursday) do you think you could go from wailing and screaming to singing in a head voice (that's upper range, just in case you don't know) to singing in your chest voice to low growls? Try it for a week, let me know how much talent it doesn't require.

Now try writing lyrics to something not in 4/4 and not in a major or minor key. Now try placing those lyrics into a musical form where the "selling point" is how "emotive" you can make it. Once again, if you think you can do this easily, send me an mp3, I'd be glad to hear.

Again, you're talking about "the fans" and the fans don't make a genre. I guarantee you The Locust did not sit around a table one day and say "hey, how can we piss off 13 year old kids' parents?". So no, that is NOT its whole purpose. (Side note: the goth movement has literally NOTHING to do with anything screamo/emo/punk/etc)

I can respect the fact that you don't like it. There's plenty of music that I don't like, in fact I really cannot get into most metal, pop, modern rock, or country. I'm not saying you have to like it. But bastardizing and generalizing an entire genre into "talentless noise" is just juvenile.

since when did I say anything about he goth "movement". Adding whatever sounds good makes for a poor arguement.

I doubt that bands wonder how to create teenage angst (actually know I don't considering how famouse my chemical romance and fall out boy became) but all that aside it's just noise. Call it juvinile but when you have to pass out lyric sheets before a show then you're not creating music anymore. To say that screamo has actual lyrics is like trying to say that you can see air. There's no understanding the frontmant. I've tried on several accounts with several differnt bands.

As for the "shot" at my screen name. I left the punk culture lon ago. Couldn't deal with the hypocracy of it all. I still dress the same. Like the same music, but the whole "anarchy's going to change the world" stuff just got boring. Basicly I grew up and grew out of it.

and for he record don't call me sir. I'm not your boss, not your dad, teacher, drill instructor or anything else for that matter. No need to be formal about this.

oh oh oh and before I forget. It's easy to say "I dont like this" and not give a reason. When someone has an opinion and reasons to back that up people tend to get up in arms, and I still see screamo as talentless (this coming from a talentless bassist).

 

[Jazz Ad]

It's not my stuff but I can understand the appeal. Raw, desperate energy passed directly to the audience.
It is a much better use of anger than wasting it on hatred a whole genre.

listen to Me and Him Call It Us, real, true screamo sounds nothing like pop punk/pop

 

[HollowSound95]

To preface this, I dig a lot of stuff that sounds relatively unacceptable to the average listener: the Germs, Black Flag, Tom Waits, Mr. Bungle, Sepultura, etc.

That said, I can't get into screamo at all. It bothers me that my generation (I'm 21) has to shoulder the burden of being associated with this genre. It bothers me even more considering that in the prime of my life, I feel disenfranchised by my musical peers. These guys can seriously play and scream, but my ears don't recognize these tones and rhythms as music. I would understand if it was an art-punk "statement", but it's masquerading as the natural progression of punk rock and 90s alternative, and I just can't ******* believe that.

And I totally get the whole "it's music, it can't be bad" argument.
But for those kids who were motivated and kept out of trouble by playing screamo, they could've just as easily been playing kick*** punk that doesn't subscribe to some cookie cutter aesthetic. I'm just glad it's played out.

 

[Ayliffe]

this thread just hurts to read....

a bunch of emo/screamo kids trying to justify their ****** genre and define every little thing about it.


It's music (sadly, yes it is still music), that you will all grow out of in 3-5 years and then you will realize how ****ing stupid you look with your v neck shirts, cat-******* spacers, pants that don't fit, and sideswipe hair. You will also then realize all your "favorite" bands sound exactly the same, and none of them have done anything new in the last 5 years.


This statement applies to everyone who listens to any of the following genres:

Screamo
Emo
"Indie"
"hardcore" (and i say that sarcastically, because most of you have no ****ing idea what hardcore actually is. *enter Minor Threat*)
Post-Hardcore
anything with that stupid Core **** at the end of it

and all this ****** new metal kife like bring me the horizon, waking the cadaver and any other "Verb the Noun" bands.














but thats just my opinion.

 

[ourworldisgrey]

If you're talking about "a whole genre sounds the same" as a reason why a genre is bad, then you could say the same thing about just about every genre. Every style has its main elements that differentiate it from everything else.

I would say that post-hardcore has grown by leaps and bounds in 5 years. 5 years ago the genre was not creative and was in it's infancy. Go from that to Underoath's "Lost in the Sound of Separation" and you will see a huge progression.

I would be willing to bet that most of the people in this thread have never heard more then a song or two by Attack Attack and are basing their entire argument on that.