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SG & EB Bass Club

Please do not take the below as the final word on the subject. Just sharing my thoughts as someone who's been following SG basses in general for a number of years but not as someone who has been following the used market. I bought mine new 10 years ago.

As far as I know, there are no magical nor dud years for the SG bass.

For a few years in the 2010s they switched bridges to the Babicz "full contact" bridge, about which opinions were mixed (as with the long-standing 3-point "oil rig" bridge, some like them, some don't). I'm with the "I'm replacing the stock bridge with a Hipshot anyway" crowd, so I wouldn't care which of the two possible stock bridges a used SG bass I was looking at would come with.

I believe that the stock pickups have been the same through the SG bass run (modern Thunderbird pickups under EB-3 like covers). Electronics are all simple VVT. Tuners have stayed the same. There's no big wood controversy with these that I know of…

I'd simply judge each instrument on its individual merits (if you can't try it in person, you have to just go by the seller's report of issues and the instrument's appearance in the photos the seller posts, along with the seller's reputation). If you have questions or requests such as a better photo of an area you're wondering about, ask before sending money. Send money in a format where you have some chance of getting your money back in the case that there are undisclosed issues and the seller doesn't do right by you. If you can play the instrument in person, besides physical problems (worn frets, cracks [esp. neck or headstock], major bridge bushing issues, poorly set neck angle, etc.), hardware issues (ex. a tuner doesn't work smoothly) and/or electronics issues (ex. silence, crackling or loud hum), check for how the neck feels in your hand, instrument weight on your shoulder and how much it neck dives and the extent that might bother you and/or whether you think it could be mitigated by measures such as, for example, simply using a rough leather strap (so, be sure to bring an instrument strap with you and play the bass standing up if checking it out in person). Check the condition of the case too, if any. Truss rod should still have adjustment range, not that I've read about that being a big issue with SG basses. Check the paint job of course and be sure you're happy enough with it. Like any bass, check the amount of belt buckle scratches on the back of the body and be sure that that is accounted for in the price and/or if you'll be happy with that. Etc.

Sounds like a lot of stuff, but in general it's just checking to see if it is working as is, plays nice, feels nice in the hand and looks nice, and if not, that you can live with whatever is wrong and that the price is appropriate to the condition. They're cool if somewhat non-standard basses (compared to Fender Ps and Js), so if one of these is what you're looking for, you should be able to easily get one that will make you happy :)
 
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For a few years in the 2010s they switched bridges to the Babicz "full contact" bridge, about which opinions were mixed (as with the long-standing 3-point "oil rig" bridge, some like them, some don't). I'm with the "I'm replacing the stock bridge with a Hipshot anyway" crowd, so I wouldn't care which of the two possible stock bridges a used SG bass I was looking at would come with.
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I ordered a Hipshot bridge the day after I received my 2013 faded cherry SG from Sweetwater in September, 2014. I didn't know squat about the oil rig bridge, but found out straightaway when restringing it with La Bella DTFs that I bought with the bass. Instead of replacing one string at a time (the SG was my second bass (not counting the '63 Jazz I played in a High School band in the late '60s) and first shorty) like I do now with all of my basses, I removed all four strings. The stock bridge came apart in pieces. I got on the WWW and discovered TalkBass, read about the Hipshot Supertone and Babicz bridges, and ordered a Hipshot. I never tried to put the original Humpty Dumpty bridge back together again. I saved the parts for awhile, but once I developed a fondness for the Hipshot, I landfilled them.
 
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I ordered a Hipshot bridge the day after I received my 2013 faded cherry SG from Sweetwater in September, 2014. I didn't know squat about the oil rig bridge, but found out straightaway when restringing it with La Bella DTFs that I bought with the bass. Instead of replacing one string at a time (the SG was my second bass (not counting the '63 Jazz I played in a High School band in the late '60s) and first shorty) like I do now with all of my basses, I removed all four strings. The stock bridge came apart in pieces. I got on the WWW and discovered TalkBass, read about the Hipshot Supertone and Babicz bridges, and ordered a Hipshot. I never tried to put the original Humpty Dumpty bridge back together again. I saved the parts for awhile, but once I developed a fondness for the Hipshot, I landfilled them.

Ah ha! Good story
 
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I guess what I was saying about the Babicz bridge is that there are probably enough people out there that will see them as a positive feature that having one wouldn't detract from the value/price, while on the other hand there are enough people out there that are happy with the 3-point or actively don't want a Babicz (or who don't know anything about bridges anyway) that not having a Babicz bridge wouldn't detract from the value/price either. Check for yourself though from what actual listings are selling for, if you're concerned about it.

As I was typing my previous response, I did wonder if there was ever any bridge pickup position variation in the SG bass years. That could create a difference by year (as could nut width, neck carve, body thickness, etc.). Seems to me though that, other than some different paint job/finishes that have been offered, the SG Bass design has been remarkably stable over it's run, which has its roots in the limited edition "SG Reissue bass" of 2006
 
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They are both excellent bridges. Hipshot also makes the D style for some Gibson instruments. I just happened to go with the Babicz because Gibson was using those on the SG for a minute a few years ago and the Hipshot on the Thunderbirds.
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My SG has the Babicz, and it's a very nice bridge. I have the oil rig on my LP Jr bass and haven't felt the need to replace it, but the Babicz is definitely an upgrade.

Other things I'd look at in terms of differences in years, I think the earlier part of the run had dot inlays and the basic gold logo where later ones got block inlays and inlaid logos. I remember reading somewhere that the run with the Babicz bridges had pearloid inlays and logo where the newer post-Babicz ones have acrylic inlays and logo, but I can't confirm that with any certainty.

Also keep an eye out for the "faded" series versus the standard ones. The faded finish is dull/matte and thin, wears easily, etc. Not the same as the nice glossy nitro on the standard line. Not that one is better or worse, but the original price point of the faded was about half that of the standard ones and I've seen people trying to sell the faded ones at prices they rival the standard ones, often not mentioning that they're the faded finish. Just a caveat to make sure you're not overpaying for something.
 
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I believe that the stock pickups have been the same through the SG bass run (modern Thunderbird pickups under EB-3 like covers). :)
Recently got some film used for viewing the magnetic field of magnets. Here's an interesting look at the pickups on my SG vs the ones on my Thunderbird…
SG
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Epiphone Tbird
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They look very different to me.
 
Recently got some film used for viewing the magnetic field of magnets. Here's an interesting look at the pickups on my SG vs the ones on my Thunderbird…
SG
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Epiphone Tbird
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They look very different to me.
I know the Gibson SG was advertising "with Tbird pickups" for some time

All of the ones I have pulled the cover on matched the ones you see in the mag test on the blonde bomber with a proper SG pickup.

but I'm sure they are out there
 
I know the Gibson SG was advertising "with Tbird pickups" for some time

All of the ones I have pulled the cover on matched the ones you see in the mag test on the blonde bomber with a proper SG pickup.

but I'm sure they are out there
Gisbon can call those SG pickups anything they want. They're still fundamentally different designs from an actual Thunderbird pickup
 
Gisbon can call those SG pickups anything they want. They're still fundamentally different designs from an actual Thunderbird pickup
Spot on. In fact both Gibson and Epiphone are notorious for posting incorrect information in the sales spec sheets for their thunderbirds. Wouldn't surprise me if their SG sales spec data was equally incorrect.
 
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Please do not take the below as the final word on the subject. Just sharing my thoughts as someone who's been following SG basses in general for a number of years but not as someone who has been following the used market. I bought mine new 10 years ago.

As far as I know, there are no magical nor dud years for the SG bass.

For a few years in the 2010s they switched bridges to the Babicz "full contact" bridge, about which opinions were mixed (as with the long-standing 3-point "oil rig" bridge, some like them, some don't). I'm with the "I'm replacing the stock bridge with a Hipshot anyway" crowd, so I wouldn't care which of the two possible stock bridges a used SG bass I was looking at would come with.

I believe that the stock pickups have been the same through the SG bass run (modern Thunderbird pickups under EB-3 like covers). Electronics are all simple VVT. Tuners have stayed the same. There's no big wood controversy with these that I know of…

I'd simply judge each instrument on its individual merits (if you can't try it in person, you have to just go by the seller's report of issues and the instrument's appearance in the photos the seller posts, along with the seller's reputation). If you have questions or requests such as a better photo of an area you're wondering about, ask before sending money. Send money in a format where you have some chance of getting your money back in the case that there are undisclosed issues and the seller doesn't do right by you. If you can play the instrument in person, besides physical problems (worn frets, cracks [esp. neck or headstock], major bridge bushing issues, poorly set neck angle, etc.), hardware issues (ex. a tuner doesn't work smoothly) and/or electronics issues (ex. silence, crackling or loud hum), check for how the neck feels in your hand, instrument weight on your shoulder and how much it neck dives and the extent that might bother you and/or whether you think it could be mitigated by measures such as, for example, simply using a rough leather strap (so, be sure to bring an instrument strap with you and play the bass standing up if checking it out in person). Check the condition of the case too, if any. Truss rod should still have adjustment range, not that I've read about that being a big issue with SG basses. Check the paint job of course and be sure you're happy enough with it. Like any bass, check the amount of belt buckle scratches on the back of the body and be sure that that is accounted for in the price and/or if you'll be happy with that. Etc.

Sounds like a lot of stuff, but in general it's just checking to see if it is working as is, plays nice, feels nice in the hand and looks nice, and if not, that you can live with whatever is wrong and that the price is appropriate to the condition. They're cool if somewhat non-standard basses (compared to Fender Ps and Js), so if one of these is what you're looking for, you should be able to easily get one that will make you happy :)
Thank you so very much for taking the time with the info you provided. I've read some negative things about Gibson quality control in the past. No specific years, just in general. I played one a friend of mine has. I'm not sure of the year, but probably a '22 or '23. He had flatwounds on it. I was able to get more of a warm, midrange punch (favoring the rear pickup) than any other bass I've played. It nailed that tone Andy Fraser had on "Free" records. Unfortunately my friend didn't want to sell it. I played a used one in a store. Again, I don't know the year. I could dial up the tone, but it was very uneven sounding. The salesman told me it had just had a set-up with new strings. They were roundwound, but just to get it off the table that it could be bad strings, the salesman changed them. There was a volume/sustain issue between some notes. The E string seemed particularly anemic. We looked at the pickup height and pole pieces. They seemed to be pretty spot on. Of course there can be "Bad Apples" in any barrel. Originally I was looking at buying a new one. I may still go that route. Thank you again!
 
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Recently got some film used for viewing the magnetic field of magnets. Here's an interesting look at the pickups on my SG vs the ones on my Thunderbird…
SG
View attachment 5419310View attachment 5419312 View attachment 5419311

Epiphone Tbird
View attachment 5419313 View attachment 5419314

They look very different to me.
Bobbins, blades and winding might in fact be similar or identical, but the vintagely-placed polepieces, as well as the distance between the blades probably complicate things. I'm especially curious about the mini. Hoping it's not a fauxbucker like those in the infamous Gretsch, I wonder if it's stacked.
 
Both the SG neck and bridge pickups are very different from the Tbird pickups on my my basses.
SG neck pickup…
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SG bridge pickup…
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Thunderbird neck pickup (thunderbird bridge pickup is the same as its neck pickup)
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That's not an answer to my question. What do your eyes pick up as different?

The bridge mini-humbucker, yes - one rail and a set of poles. Obviously different.

But the SG neck pickup has a pair of rails, just like the TBird pickup. The SG rails are spaced a little bit farther apart. That's the only difference I see.